Best BCS match up?

[Danny Hogan]

they climbed to #5 on a soft soft schedule. what is their big win? fresno?

if they played ucla or had a conference championship game, they would likely have another loss and it wouldn't be an arguement.

[benji]

Texas manipulated the process last year to achieve a result that got them in and kept Cal out. That wouldn't have happened without their interference.

What I don't understand is, why you would think that a team WOULDN'T manipulate the system if they COULD. If anything, Cal should blame themselves for not taking appropriate actions to prevent this alleged "conspiracy of Southern coaches led by Mac Brown." Whether it be through better play, better politics, or better "cinspiring", Texas did a BETTER JOB AT GETTING TO THE GAME.

You guys are making this sound like Mac Brown is riding a horse into SoCal with the Bowdens and Coach Stoops chanting, "the South will rise again."

I hate the BCS too, but if we're gonna sit here and cry about how unfair it is, look at how Texas MADE the system work for them last year.

[Danny Hogan]

sandbagging a deserving team's ranking @ the end of the year is hardly making the system work for you, it is indeed a 'bastardization of the system'

[CATLAX MAN]

What I don't understand is, why you would think that a team WOULDN'T manipulate the system if they COULD. If anything, Cal should blame themselves for not taking appropriate actions to prevent this alleged "conspiracy of Southern coaches led by Mac Brown." Whether it be through better play, better politics, or better "cinspiring", Texas did a BETTER JOB AT GETTING TO THE GAME.

You guys are making this sound like Mac Brown is riding a horse into SoCal with the Bowdens and Coach Stoops chanting, "the South will rise again."

I hate the BCS too, but if we're gonna sit here and cry about how unfair it is, look at how Texas MADE the system work for them last year.

There is a big difference between making a system work for you and unethically getting other people to conspire to vote a team well below where they should be in order to artificially raise another team. It's the difference between honesty & dishonesty. Apparently it is happening again this year in looking at how some of the coaches voted, so I guess they have no problems with checking their morals at the door along with their mentor, Mack.

[benji]

There is a big difference between making a system work for you and unethically getting other people to conspire to vote a team well below where they should be in order to artificially raise another team. It's the difference between honesty & dishonesty. Apparently it is happening again this year in looking at how some of the coaches voted, so I guess they have no problems with checking their morals at the door along with their mentor, Mack.

Look I don't support them being the sheizy (explicits) that they are, but I mean, when hundreds of thousands, potentially millions, of dollars are on the line, as well as national recognition amongst other things, it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that people do these sort of things.

Furthermore, what's to say that these other teams haven't been involved in their own misdeeds? Your beloved Cal as well as UCLA and the former PCC have thier own history of shadiness in college football, see here
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference ).
For the coaches, for the schools, this is a business, as depressing and wretched as it sounds.

I don't think it comes down to morals anymore. I think its better defined as strategy. It's sickening, yes, but now it seems its all part of the process. I don't think this should be shocking to anyone these days.

[CATLAX MAN]

Texas did a BETTER JOB AT GETTING TO THE GAME.

Too bad they didn't actually earn it on the field.

I don't think it comes down to morals anymore. I think its better defined as strategy. It's sickening, yes, but now it seems its all part of the process.

I beg to differ. This was never intended to be part of the process. You couldn't be more off base on this one. We shouldn't have say this is OK because others are cheating & manipulating, so we should do it too.

What they ought to do in order to fix the BCS voting is to eliminate the top 4 votes and the bottom 4 votes for each team in the poll. Doing that would bring a more proper average poll result as it appears that the majority of the voters vote in the way the poll is supposed to be conducted.

[Brent Burns]

Benji, you are quite on a roll not only in this thread, but in other threads in the Water Cooler.

[DanGenck]

There is a big difference between making a system work for you and unethically getting other people to conspire to vote a team well below where they should be in order to artificially raise another team. It's the difference between honesty & dishonesty. Apparently it is happening again this year in looking at how some of the coaches voted, so I guess they have no problems with checking their morals at the door along with their mentor, Mack.

Look I don't support them being the sheizy (explicits) that they are, but I mean, when hundreds of thousands, potentially millions, of dollars are on the line, as well as national recognition amongst other things, it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that people do these sort of things.

Furthermore, what's to say that these other teams haven't been involved in their own misdeeds? Your beloved Cal as well as UCLA and the former PCC have thier own history of shadiness in college football, see here
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference ).
For the coaches, for the schools, this is a business, as depressing and wretched as it sounds.

I don't think it comes down to morals anymore. I think its better defined as strategy. It's sickening, yes, but now it seems its all part of the process. I don't think this should be shocking to anyone these days.

Now you are talking about a problem that is big in this country. It absolutely SHOULD come as a shock that someone would act in this way for money, recognition and status. We hold up money and status too highly right now... I see it everyday in the way my 14 year old freshman english students talk in class. They have more respect for Us Weekly, Jessica Simpson and Laguna Beach than they do for the Naval Academy, athletics or academic achievement.

[Sonny]

There is a big difference between making a system work for you and unethically getting other people to conspire to vote a team well below where they should be in order to artificially raise another team. It's the difference between honesty & dishonesty. Apparently it is happening again this year in looking at how some of the coaches voted, so I guess they have no problems with checking their morals at the door along with their mentor, Mack.

While I don't like what some of the pollsters did last year to Cal... Do you have proof that coaches connspired/encouraged other coaches/pollsters to modify their polls to benefit others? Seems to me like a pretty big leap of faith there.

[CATLAX MAN]

While I don't like what some of the pollsters did last year to Cal... Do you have proof that coaches connspired/encouraged other coaches/pollsters to modify their polls to benefit others? Seems to me like a pretty big leap of faith there.

Mack Brown publicly admitted last year to calling some of the voting coaches and asked them to move Cal down in their polls and Texas up so that they could get in. This was not a secret.

[byualum]

Mack Brown publicly admitted last year to calling some of the voting coaches and asked them to move Cal down in their polls and Texas up so that they could get in. This was not a secret.

As soon as Texas hires a coach that can coach as well as Mack recruits, they will be very good...

[Brent Burns]

Mack Brown publicly admitted last year to calling some of the voting coaches and asked them to move Cal down in their polls and Texas up so that they could get in. This was not a secret.

As soon as Texas hires a coach that can coach as well as Mack recruits, they will be very good...

Are you talking about the "life after Mack Brown" whenever he retires from coaching or jumps the ship from Texas or whatever? Just trying to make sure I read you correctly.

[byualum]

Mack Brown publicly admitted last year to calling some of the voting coaches and asked them to move Cal down in their polls and Texas up so that they could get in. This was not a secret.

As soon as Texas hires a coach that can coach as well as Mack recruits, they will be very good...

Are you talking about the "life after Mack Brown" whenever he retires from coaching or jumps the ship from Texas or whatever? Just trying to make sure I read you correctly.

I just mean if he coached as well as he recruited, Texas would be in the hunt every year. Other than the Rose Bowl last year, his track record in "big games" is not too good. As an A&M guy, my greatest fear is that he becomes a lifer at UT. I don't think much of him as a coach, but man, he sure brings in talent.

[jessexy]

i'm not backing the texas voting record, because it is what it is, but the cal/ttu result validated that cal was not as good as advertised.

same situation if oregon gets waxed by oklahoma.

I just don't buy that at all. The bowl bids are supposed to go to the team that has achieved the highest ranking in the BSC system at the time the bids go out. What happens afterward is not part of the equation. Texas manipulated the process last year to achieve a result that got them in and kept Cal out. That wouldn't have happened without their interference. Those are facts and are indisputable. You just can't use a rationalization that they lost their bowl game afterwards to condone the result. It's a bastardization of the process. That is why the BCS doesn't work.

i'm kind of a third party in all this because i don't care that cal got left out and i also think the texas coaches' conspiracy is wrong. and i probably don't care that cal got left out because they were exposed against TT.

i think the real arguement should be that the #2 team from the PAC 10 should get a better bowl than the holiday.

doesnt the Holiday bowl have the biggest payout of all the non-new years day games. and its always a great game.

[jessexy]

As an A&M guy, my greatest fear is that he becomes a lifer at UT. I don't think much of him as a coach, but man, he sure brings in talent.

lifer? isnt he almost 70 already?