BCS B.S.

[Sonny]

The bowl games suck for the most part. Except for one or two games they are meaningless.

There are many players (participants), coaches, and fans that would disagree with these two statements.

[byualum]

The bowl games suck for the most part. Except for one or two games they are meaningless.

There are many players (participants), coaches, and fans that would disagree with these two statements.

Sonny is dead on...three biggest plusses of a bowl game: (1) money, (2) recruiting and the biggest (3) 4-5 weeks of additional practice.

[lil lady lax fan]

The bowl games suck for the most part. Except for one or two games they are meaningless.

There are many players (participants), coaches, and fans that would disagree with these two statements.

Sonny is dead on...three biggest plusses of a bowl game: (1) money, (2) recruiting and the biggest (3) 4-5 weeks of additional practice.

This is especially true for the conferences that know they don't really have a snowball's chance in you-know-where of getting the number 1-4 spots, such as the MAC. Central Michigan and Toledo (the current leaders in the MAC) may be good teams but they're not in the same league, recruiting-wise, as USC, Michigan or UCLA.

[Sonny]

Jeff Sagarin NCAA latest conference ratings from USA Today...... The Big Ten and Pac-10 are probably due more respect then I originally thought this season.

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS

1 BIG TEN (A) = 82.69 82.03 ( 1) 11
2 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 78.27 78.14 ( 2) 12
3 PAC-10 (A) = 77.05 78.07 ( 3) 10
4 BIG 12 (A) = 76.71 77.91 ( 4) 12
5 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 75.99 75.54 ( 5) 12
6 BIG EAST (A) = 73.44 73.09 ( 7) 8
7 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 71.89 73.26 ( 6) 3
8 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 71.19 71.02 ( 9
9 CONFERENCE USA (A) = 66.55 65.99 ( 9) 12
10 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 63.01 62.38 ( 10) 13
11 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 61.35 61.85 ( 11) 9
12 BIG SKY (AA)= 56.04 55.30 ( 12) 8
13 GATEWAY (AA)= 55.99 54.42 ( 13) 8
14 SUN BELT (A) = 54.45 54.00 ( 16) 8
15 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 54.16 54.24 ( 14) 7
16 GREAT WEST (AA)= 54.11 53.37 ( 17) 6
17 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 53.80 54.18 ( 15) 12
18 SOUTHERN (AA)= 53.29 53.27 ( 18) 8
19 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.40 48.03 ( 19) 8
20 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 42.79 42.13 ( 20) 7
21 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 40.37 40.60 ( 21) 9
22 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 38.89 39.76 ( 22) 9
23 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 35.13 35.94 ( 23) 5
24 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 31.87 32.23 ( 24) 10
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 26.75 26.76 ( 25) 8
26 PIONEER (AA)= 23.02 23.29 ( 26) 9
27 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 21.14 21.83 ( 27) 5
28 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 10.32 10.32 ( 28) 1

LINK:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm

[tamu33]

I like how there are two AA schools listed above the Sun Belt conference. I mean with power houses like Middle Tennessee, Univ. of Louisiana-Lafayette (affectionately known as U-LA-LA or the Rajun cajuns) and FAU/FIU.... how can this be?

Most of these schools in this conference should quit playing football and focus on other sports. Because you never see these teams on tv unless it non-conference game for a big time school. Or better yet... drop down to AA so that you are one of the top 3 AA teams.

[JW]

Bowls can still be used along with a playoff system. I can see how the teams that go to the Holiday Bowl, New Orleans Bowl and so on get a big kick out of it. I think you can still use a Bowl system with a playoff system. Take the top 8 teams Play the first round games in your sub-major bowls (Cotton Bowl and so forth). Then play your next round in the BCS bowls. The championship game will rotate between the BCS bowls. Still play the bowls that feature North Texas or Utah, or Texas Tech. But give the Top 8 teams a right to fight for a the National Championship.

If there were a playoff system here is what the first round would look like were they to start today.

#1 USC vs #8 LSU - Coach's poll Champ 2003 vs BCS champ in 2003
#2 Texas vs #7 Penn State - A matchup that we don't get to see all that often. Penn State playing good football this year.
#3 VA Tech vs #6 Miami - Old Big East (now ACC) Rivalry that would make for an outstanding Playoff game. Remniscant of Cowboys-49ers or Pats-Colts.
#4 Alabama vs #5 UCLA - UCLA's great running attack vs Alabam's great defense.

Because you would have to be in the top 8 the regular season would be just as important as it is now. and maybe teams will start scheduling harder to make their strength of schedule look better. Teams like Florida State, Ohio State, Georgia, Wisconsin, Oregon, and Notre Dame would be on the outside looking in, but if they were to win a Conference Championship game or someone lost their conference championship game, someone might jump in there.

You could start the playoffs around the second or third weekend of december and finish the first week of January. There will be exciting bowl games during the time where the only people watching bowl games are fans, alums, and players families.

Every team that has a winning record would still be able to play in one of th 50 or something bowl games. This would just give the numbers 3-8 teams an opportunity to earn the championship berth.

[Danny Hogan]

[quote="JBecause you would have to be in the top 8 the regular season would be just as important as it is now. and maybe teams will start scheduling harder to make their strength of schedule look better.[/quote]


or maybe the teams would schedule easier to be in the top 8 with a 10-0 record where 1,2 loss teams from good conferences would get screwed.

[JW]

Still the BCS would be in play and the teams with weak schedules, such as Texas Tech wouldn't be close. Texas Tech had one good win against Nebraska which vaulted them into the Top 8 for a week, got pummelled againts Texas and dropped to 16. Were they to have a tougher non-conference schedule they would not have dropped as far. In the BCS you do get punished for playing soft non-conference foes, or playing soft conference foes like teams in the Mountain West or conference USA. Utah and TCU can attest to that. They won some big non-conference games in years past, but their strength of schedule diminished their early season wins. And for those people who say the little guy doesn't have a chance to win the National championship - too bad, get into a tougher conference where your conference games mean something.

USC played Notre Dame; Texas Played Ohio State, Virginia Tech didn't play a tough non-conference schedule, but they play #6 Miami; Beat #19 West Virginia, #18 Boston College in Conference and if everything plays out, will play Florida State (ranked in the top 10) in the ACC final; Alabama played Arkansas - always a tough team, and my play in the toughest conference in the Nation with Games left against - #6 LSU and #17 Auburn, beat # 13 Florida and will play a tough game in the SEC title game; UCLA beat Oklahoma (now OU is horrible, but when they scheduled them they were the number 2 team in the country, beat CAL who was a top 15 team and have USC at the end of the year; Miami Scheduled Florida State ranked #9 currently and Colorado now #25 (who will win the Big 12 north), play #3 VA Tech this weekend; Penn State probably had the softest non-conference schedule of anyone, but they play in a very tough and balanced conference where anyone can win week-week; LSU's non-conference schedule was weak, but they also have a tough conference schedule with Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Arkansas.

Teams from the SEC, Big 10 and ACC have the toughest Conference Schedule out of anyone, but the Pac 10 and Big 12 play very tough non-conference teams.

Teams are scheduling tough, but when Oklahoma has a down year, you can't predict that. Most teams schedule their non-conference games a couple of years in advance.

The top 8 teams in a playoff isn't too much to ask, and if they schedule weak to be undefeated, they will be punished in the BCS.

A win against Miami is definately worth more than a win against North East Oklahoma State Agricultural and Technical College (made up school, but I would have gone to NEOSATC).

Now that is a rant, luckily for you guys it is slow at work tonight.

[Sonny]

# 3 VT hosts # 5 Miami in Blacksburg in a HUGE game this Saturday. That game loses alot of meaning if they are scheduled to play 4 weeks from now in the first round of the BCS playoffs. Not to mention that an 8-team playoff would screw teams 9 - 12 (& beyond) and hurt the entire bowl system. The non-BCS playoff bowl games would dry up eventually (lack of fan & local fiancial support as they are much more meaningless then they are now) and they would die off.

[Danny Hogan]

and Arkansas

Arkansas is about as good as Mexico's space program.

The non-playoff bowls would get similar treatment to the NIT. Does anyone know what its like to go to an NIT game? Exactly.

[Dan Wishengrad]

[quote="Sonny]The non-BCS playoff bowl games would dry up eventually (lack of fan & local fiancial support as they are much more meaningless then they are now) and they would die off.[/quote]

Sonny you make a great point. Many of us think those early non-BCS games are already meaningless.

If you really believe that a playoff for DI football is not the preferable way to go, than why not be consistent and oppose national championships in the other sports in favor the same kind of bowl systems?

Speaking of consistency, I remember how eloquent and convincing you were here on the forum arguing that we needed to impeach Clinton for lying to the American public and a grand jury about having sex with an intern. So I am waiting for you to make the same argument for impeaching the current administration for lying to us about something much more important -- taking us into a an unnecessary war of choice that has resulted in over 17,000 American casualties and is costing us six billion dollars per month. I'll hold my breath while I wait!

[Sonny]

The non-BCS playoff bowl games would dry up eventually (lack of fan & local fiancial support as they are much more meaningless then they are now) and they would die off.

Sonny you make a great point. Many of us think those early non-BCS games are already meaningless.

If you really believe that a playoff for DI football is not the preferable way to go, than why not be consistent and oppose national championships in the other sports in favor the same kind of bowl systems?

Speaking of consistency, I remember how eloquent and convincing you were here on the forum arguing that we needed to impeach Clinton for lying to the American public and a grand jury about having sex with an intern. So I am waiting for you to make the same argument for impeaching the current administration for lying to us about something much more important -- taking us into a an unnecessary war of choice that has resulted in over 17,000 American casualties and is costing us six billion dollars per month. I'll hold my breath while I wait!

Don't move the goal posts on me Wish. If you want to start a different topic about Iraq, please do so.

For the record - I'm not 100% opposed to a NCAA 1-A playoff system. I'm just not seen one single proposal that is fair and/or won't kill the current bowl system. Propose the better mousetrap and I'm all ears.

[DanGenck]

The non-BCS playoff bowl games would dry up eventually (lack of fan & local fiancial support as they are much more meaningless then they are now) and they would die off.

Sonny you make a great point. Many of us think those early non-BCS games are already meaningless.

If you really believe that a playoff for DI football is not the preferable way to go, than why not be consistent and oppose national championships in the other sports in favor the same kind of bowl systems?

Speaking of consistency, I remember how eloquent and convincing you were here on the forum arguing that we needed to impeach Clinton for lying to the American public and a grand jury about having sex with an intern. So I am waiting for you to make the same argument for impeaching the current administration for lying to us about something much more important -- taking us into a an unnecessary war of choice that has resulted in over 17,000 American casualties and is costing us six billion dollars per month. I'll hold my breath while I wait!

Don't move the goal posts on me Wish. If you want to start a different topic about Iraq, please do so.

For the record - I'm not 100% opposed to a NCAA 1-A playoff system. I'm just not seen one single proposal that is fair and/or won't kill the current bowl system. Propose the better mousetrap and I'm all ears.

Though I disagree on the war, I do agree with Sonny that there is no feasible replacement for the current system that is in the best interest of student athletes, coaches, fans and administrators.

[cjwilhelmi]

I like what MSN.com had up today for a little bit http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5046944 .

I'm joinging the ranks of Benson and others who check the message boards while their supposed to be working. Actually, I'm watching study hall right now.

[bste_lax]

Does anyone know what its like to go to an NIT game? Exactly.

I have and its quite boring.

Didn't help we lost to Georgia Tech at home.