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Hobart to reclassify in lacrosse to Division III

Postby Brent Burns on Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:16 pm

Hobart to Reclassify in Lacrosse to Division III

GENEVA, N.Y.-The Hobart and William Smith Colleges Board of Trustees voted today to reclassify Hobart lacrosse from Division I to Division III. Citing the changing landscape of collegiate lacrosse and the challenges inherent in recruiting talented student-athletes at the Division I level without athletic scholarships, the Board voted to move to Division III starting with the 2008-09 academic year.

"The Board recognizes that the college lacrosse landscape has changed dramatically in the past decade," says David Deming '75, the Chair of the Hobart and William Smith Board of Trustees. "Hobart and Johns Hopkins are the only two primarily Division III institutions competing in Division I men's lacrosse. But unlike Johns Hopkins, under NCAA regulations, Hobart is not permitted to offer athletic scholarships. Moving to Division III will level the playing field for our coaches in recruitment and our students in competition."

Reclassifying programs are not eligible for the NCAA tournament for the first two years in their new division. Hobart will request a waiver, but 2011 is expected to be the first season in which the Statesmen are eligible for the NCAA Division III lacrosse playoffs. The requirement allows Division I caliber players to graduate from the program and for the program to make compliance adjustments to Division III regulations and policies.

"The students and alumni who have competed at the Division I level have represented Hobart with pride," says President Mark D. Gearan. "The current team has established an impressive record that brings honor to the Colleges. We are committed to supporting our current players given their excellence on the field and in the classroom. The decision to go to Division III was made in consideration of the long term interests of the Colleges."

"The resources required in Division I lacrosse are moving toward what is required in Division I football and basketball," says Director of Hobart Athletics Mike Hanna '68, who has led the Statesmen for 27 years. "We are prohibited from offering athletic scholarships in an environment that is increasingly demanding in terms of recruitment and competition. This resource inequity requires a solution that honors our players and fans while also maintaining the integrity of our history. Division III, which is far more competitive today than when we moved to Division I in 1995, offers us better opportunities for the future."

Men's lacrosse came under the NCAA banner in 1971 and during the 1970s, '80s and early '90s, Division III Hobart's regular season schedule included several games each year against Division I programs.

Presented with pending changes in NCAA scheduling regulations, the Colleges began studying the multi-division option in 1993 and opted to move to Division I to preserve the quality of its regular season schedule and scheduling relationships with several longtime rivals such as Cornell, Penn State and Syracuse. The new rules required Division I schools to limit their schedules to other Division I programs.

The Statesmen competed as an independent until 2000, when Hobart joined the Patriot League as an associate member. Four years later, the conference changed its membership requirements, which forced Hobart out of the league. In 2005, the Statesmen joined the competitive ECAC Lacrosse League, which includes heavyweights Georgetown, Loyola and UMass.

In 92 seasons under U.S. Intercollegiate Lacrosse Association and NCAA Division II and Division III governance, the Statesmen were 624-321-20 (.657) with 63 winning seasons, 21 NCAA Tournament appearances, and 16 national championships (13 NCAA Division III, 2 NCAA Division II, 1 USILA College Division). Between 1980 and 1991, Hobart put together one of the most impressive eras of dominance in all of collegiate sports, winning 12 consecutive NCAA Division III Championships.

Since 1995, Hobart is 88-98 (.473), posting three winning seasons. The Statesmen earned four NCAA Division I Tournament bids, twice winning the Patriot League Championship and its accompanying automatic bid and twice earning at-large berths.

"As an alumnus, I appreciate all of the opportunities provided to our student body," says Hobart Lacrosse Head Coach Matt Kerwick '90. "The continued growth of the campus and the direction of our academic profile is a source of great pride. I am also extremely proud of the Hobart lacrosse history and every student-athlete I have the privilege to coach. My entire focus is on the well being of the 42 young men currently competing for the Statesmen lacrosse program and to prepare them for our final regular season contest against Cornell University."

Hobart will face Cornell on Fri., May 2 at 7:00 p.m. on McCooey Field at Hobart and William Smith Colleges.

"I have followed Hobart lacrosse for more than 30 years and am proud to be a loyal Statesman fan," says Jeremy Foley '74, the Director of Athletics at the University of Florida and a former Hobart lacrosse player. "I'm impressed with the thoughtful study that has gone into this move to Division III. I fully support the decision of the Board of Trustees. This is the right move for Hobart."

As part of their visit to campus, the Board also reviewed plans to move forward with a $9 million expansion of athletic facilities including renovations to Elliott Varsity House and rebuilding the Colleges stadium – Boswell Field. These capital projects are part of the Colleges' Campaign for the Colleges which has so far raised more than $130 million toward a goal of $160 million.
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Postby Hugh Nunn on Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:14 am

In other news, Salisbury State Head Coach Jim Berkman was found sobbing in a corner.
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Postby Madlax16 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:50 pm

A nice little fun fact...not that it matters or anything, but Salisbury dropped the "state" from its title a few years back. I always thought of the delicious dinner entre when ever i heard Salisbury State used in a conersation.

And though i have allways been a gulls fan, good to see there will probably be a bigger challanger to the Gulls.
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Postby Jac Coyne on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:19 pm

Um, I don't think Salisbury is terribly worried about this move.

With the imminent transfer of players combined with a two-year dead period -- a time in which Hobart will have trouble attracting high-end D-III talent, nevermind the D-1 players they are used to -- the Statesmen will be lucky to emerge in 2011 with a team in contention for the top half of the Liberty League (currently dominated by St. Lawrence - Berkman's alma mater).

Add in the fact that the program doesn't resonate with the current crop of prospective student-athletes, who were only a couple of years old when the Statesmen won their last title ('93), and it becomes clear that Salisbury will be more concerned about Gettysburg, Middlebury and Cortland for the next 5-10 years.

I feel bad for coach Matt Kerwick, who will have a tough decision to make about his career in the coming months.

As for Madlax's fun fact, if memory serves my junior high school was renowned for its Salisbury steak (w/ corn niblets and mashed).
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Sad.

Postby cgarrigues on Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:22 pm

The press release makes it sound like Hobart never had the scholarships available to compete on an even field with the rest of D1. I was never sure about that. That they could compete at that level, if not amass the victories they wanted, speaks well. Its a shame that upstate NY won't get to see Hobart take on 'cuse and Cornell any more.

I doubt the NCAA will grant Hobart the waiver, but they should. NCAA rules against D1 teams playing down played a major part in Hobart moving up, and once they were there, Hobart wasn't allowed the scholarships. Now that they are moving down, they're going to be penalized again.
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Postby Brent Burns on Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:03 pm

I just glanced at some of the lacrosse fans' strong reaction to the Hobart decision to reclassify lacrosse to DIII at LaxPower. You can read those reactions in Division I and Division III forums at LaxPower.
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Postby StrykerFSU on Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:06 pm

I also think that Coach Urick had an awful lot to do with that run at Hobart.
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Postby Jac Coyne on Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:01 pm

And B.J. O'Hara.

After its decision to give the Duke players a fifth year, the NCAA needs to get out -- and stay out -- of the waiver business.
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Postby Beta on Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:21 am

I feel bad for the HS kids who committed to Hobart.

Hopefully those kids can get picked up by other schools.
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Postby cgarrigues on Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:31 pm

Coach Urick no doubt had a lot to do with it.

The first lacrosse game I ever saw was Hobart's first round game in the 1981 Div III playoffs. After school, I rode my bike down to Boswell field. I was applying for admission to their opponent, MIT (who wisely turned me down), and was surprised to see MIT up, 1-0. Hobart proceeded to run off the next 37 goals. WOW!
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Postby Hugh Nunn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:43 pm

Jac Coyne wrote:Um, I don't think Salisbury is terribly worried about this move.


Me too. It was a joke. Berkman is problably hoping for better competition than he found in conference championships, all due respect to Villa Julie with an 8 year-old program.
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Postby StrykerFSU on Thu May 01, 2008 10:35 pm

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Postby Zeuslax on Thu May 01, 2008 10:43 pm

Wow! Amazing, a university reversing a decision. We should probably keep the letter writing campaign going, even if they're positive emails now that the decision seems to have been reversed. The win over Loyola didn't hurt!
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Postby Jac Coyne on Thu May 01, 2008 11:04 pm

If you were going to make a move toward reclassification, wouldn't you check the temperature of your almuni groups and large donors before making the decision? Was this decision so capricious that the Board of Trustees is suprised at the outpouring?

To say this whole situation is bizarre is an understatement. Even if Hobart has procured large donors to offset rising costs, it hasn't addressed the primary issue in the originial statement of reclassification: Hobart still doesn't have access to scholarships while trying to compete at the D-1 level.

Unless the NCAA has changed the rules, what could possibly make the situation more tenable now than a week ago? Barring a move to make the entire school's athletic department D-I (a laughable proposition, to say the least), the Statesmen are tilting at windmills.
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Our windmills

Postby Karl Lynch on Thu May 01, 2008 11:51 pm

Hey, they are our windmills, not Don Quixote's. We can compete just fine in DI. The Board's reversal is okay by me.
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