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Postby Ravaging Beast on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:14 pm

IndianaJones wrote:
CardLax wrote:For Stanford, the loss to Cal certainly keeps the ranking from being where it could be. 16-17 seems like a realistic spot, more so if you consider Cal to be a vastly improved team from just two weeks ago.


No. 21 Stanford loses to unranked Cal and moves up 5 spots in the poll?

Stanford had already secured the #1 spot in their division. May not have been the same outcome if they were fighting for a playoff spot.
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Postby nhoskins on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:28 pm

My top 25

1. Michigan
2. Chapman
3. Duluth
4. BYU
5. SFU
6. ASU
7. CSU
8. UCSB
9. Sonoma
10. Boston College
11. Georgia
12. Virginia Tech
13. Florida State
14. Oregon
15. Colorado
16. Florida
17. Texas A&M
18. Utah
19. Cal Poly

After 14.. it really doesn't matter.
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Postby UkraineNotWeak on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:31 pm

Don't know if I agree with you RB. Stanford is on the cusp of making the tournament. Making the WCLL Final 4 will not guarantee them a spot. I'd say that winning the Cal game, especially considering Cal beat Oregon the week before, was important to them. It would justify them moving up in the rankings if they beat Cal.
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Postby iDinosaur! on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:34 pm

nhoskins wrote:My top 25

1. Michigan
2. Chapman
3. Duluth
4. BYU
5. SFU
6. ASU
7. CSU
8. UCSB
9. Sonoma
10. Boston College
11. Georgia
12. Virginia Tech
13. Florida State
14. Oregon
15. Colorado
16. Florida
17. Texas A&M
18. Utah
19. Cal Poly

After 14.. it really doesn't matter.


I wouldn't say that quite yet. If this were the last poll I would agree that after 14 it doesn't matter, but there is still two weeks to play for most of these teams. Are you saying that it doesn't matter where Colorado ends up in this poll? A win against CSU might only bump them up a couple spots, but if they are within striking distance of the coveted 14 seed then it might be enough to get them into the Big Show. Same with Utah.

Interesting question... Assuming (key word assuming) Oregon drops the game against BYU this week, get to the championship in the PNCLL tourney and loses to SFU in the finals, are 2 top 5 losses enough to knock them out of the tourney.

In other words, does Oregon HAVE to beat BYU or SFU in order to make it to Nationals? (Obviously beating SFU would give them the AQ)
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Postby freddoi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:35 pm

granted these are opinions, but it would seem to me that beating cal and risking possible injury/fatigue for playoffs just for that win does not make sense. stanfords performance in the wcll playoffs will help their tournament hope far more than a win against a lower ranked cal team
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Postby EvanFSU on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:36 pm

In other words, does Oregon HAVE to beat BYU or SFU in order to make it to Nationals? (Obviously beating SFU would give them the AQ)


I think they need to win the PNCLL or they are not going to Nationals this year.
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Postby Zamboni_Driver on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:40 pm

1. Michigan (12 - 0) [8/0/0]
2. Chapman (12 - 0) [7/0/0]
3. Minnesota-Duluth (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
4. BYU (9 - 3) [9/3/0]
5. Simon Fraser (12 - 1) [4/1/0]
6. Arizona State (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
7. Colorado State (9 - 4) [7/3/1]
8. UCSB (11 - 5) [5/5/0]
9. Sonoma State (11 - 2) [4/2/0]
10. Georgia (12 - 3) [5/3/0]
11. Boston College (9 - 3) [2/3/0]
12. Virginia Tech (14 - 2) [2/1/1]
13. Florida State (15 - 4) [5/4/0]
14. Texas A&M (13 - 3) [0/3/0]
15. Oregon (11 - 4) [1/3/1]
16. Colorado (3 - 4) [3/3/1]
17. Florida (10 - 5) [3/3/2]
18. Utah (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
19. Claremont (10 - 2) [2/2/0]
20. Santa Clara (9-5) [2/4/1]
21. Stanford (11 - 3) [2/1/2]
22. Cal Poly (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
23. Central Florida (8 - 4) [1/2/2]
24. Loyola Marymount (9 - 6) [1/5/1]
25. Illinois (0 - 1) [0/0/1]
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Postby nhoskins on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:40 pm

EvanFSU wrote:
In other words, does Oregon HAVE to beat BYU or SFU in order to make it to Nationals? (Obviously beating SFU would give them the AQ)


I think they need to win the PNCLL or they are not going to Nationals this year.


I agree. Losing to CSU and a resurgent SFU doesn't mean they shouldn't be at Nationals. Getting hammered by Sonoma and losing to Cal... that's a pretty good indicator that they don't deserve to be there this year. That being said, they're still a great team, and I would (and did) put them in my top 14. I think they belong at Nationals before Colorado, Florida, Utah, etc. largely because no one is making a strong case to be there over Oregon, so why not Oregon?
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Postby nhoskins on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:41 pm

iDinosaur! wrote:
nhoskins wrote:My top 25

1. Michigan
2. Chapman
3. Duluth
4. BYU
5. SFU
6. ASU
7. CSU
8. UCSB
9. Sonoma
10. Boston College
11. Georgia
12. Virginia Tech
13. Florida State
14. Oregon
15. Colorado
16. Florida
17. Texas A&M
18. Utah
19. Cal Poly

After 14.. it really doesn't matter.


I wouldn't say that quite yet. If this were the last poll I would agree that after 14 it doesn't matter, but there is still two weeks to play for most of these teams. Are you saying that it doesn't matter where Colorado ends up in this poll? A win against CSU might only bump them up a couple spots, but if they are within striking distance of the coveted 14 seed then it might be enough to get them into the Big Show. Same with Utah.

Interesting question... Assuming (key word assuming) Oregon drops the game against BYU this week, get to the championship in the PNCLL tourney and loses to SFU in the finals, are 2 top 5 losses enough to knock them out of the tourney.

In other words, does Oregon HAVE to beat BYU or SFU in order to make it to Nationals? (Obviously beating SFU would give them the AQ)


I don't see Colorado or Utah doing anything in the RMLC playoffs. Hence my statement that it doesn't matter after 14. I wouldn't mind seeing an upset though and in my poll, both Colorado and Utah are within striking distance of the NC if they win in playoffs.
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Postby MNLax57 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:44 pm

Oregon must win the PNCLL to go to Dallas. Their only quality win appears to be against Colorado, who is overrated to begin with.

I would like to see the SELC teams get a little more love in the next pole but I'm not sure thats going to happen.
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Postby Zamboni_Driver on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:45 pm

iDinosaur! wrote:Interesting question... Assuming (key word assuming) Oregon drops the game against BYU this week, get to the championship in the PNCLL tourney and loses to SFU in the finals, are 2 top 5 losses enough to knock them out of the tourney.


It would be if their overall resume is weak. Oregon really should have put some more projected teens and 20s in their schedule to set a baseline. Everyone should. This would have been a counter for the Cal game (assuming wins) they could claim it was an upset. Without those, pollsters will have a hard time determining if Colorado and Cal were flukes or insights.
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Postby nhoskins on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:48 pm

Zamboni_Driver wrote:
iDinosaur! wrote:Interesting question... Assuming (key word assuming) Oregon drops the game against BYU this week, get to the championship in the PNCLL tourney and loses to SFU in the finals, are 2 top 5 losses enough to knock them out of the tourney.


It would be if their overall resume is weak. Oregon really should have put some more projected teens and 20s in their schedule to set a baseline. Everyone should. This would have been a counter for the Cal game (assuming wins) they could claim it was an upset. Without those, pollsters will have a hard time determining if Colorado and Cal were flukes or insights.


Good point. I really like the way UMD, SFU, and SSU scheduled this year. Allowed all three to maintain good poll positions.
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Postby iDinosaur! on Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:52 pm

nhoskins wrote: I would (and did) put them in my top 14. I think they belong at Nationals before Colorado, Florida, Utah, etc. largely because no one is making a strong case to be there over Oregon, so why not Oregon?


Agreed 100%. I feel like this year there are teams that are making a case to NOT be at nationals rather than the other way around.

That being said, there is still 2 weeks left. Anything can happen. Oregon, Colorado, and Utah all still have chances left to prove they belong.
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Postby Hi-Line Lax on Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:25 pm

speaking of Cal, why aren't they in the Top 25? To me they have a better resume than say UCF (not to pick on them).
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Postby FLALAX on Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:27 pm

That is true, plus Cal beat UCF head to head. Towards the end a little regional bias may be shining through.

Granted Cal at 20.
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