2008 SELC Division 1 All-Conference Team

[Laxbum]

I know its tough for the SELC committee to decide the awards and that not all coaches do what they are supposed to do with regards to submitting in their 2 cents on who should get what award........but someone seriously has a mancrush for noonan.

I agree, he is an excellent player and the leader of a solid offensive unit at FSU. However, I don't think he should have received it for a 3rd consecutive year. I'm huge fan of all the attack players for UGA but all 3 of them are studs on the field which is why none of their stats will stand out as much over eachothers. Which is why my vote would go to Tyrell. I saw the kid play twice this year and i Defended against him a few years back. He's nasty and they are going to hurt next year without him!

I may be able to live with Cox and magahan not getting first team attack.

But Magyar got robbed big time at midfield. The kid just lead his team to back to back championships.......even ken can vouch for kevin! Should have at least been 2nd team if not honorable mention.

But i'm pretty sure that none of the UGA players really care cause they won the whole thing back to back which is the greatest award of all. And i'm sure that tyrell nor noonan care about the awards either cause as a player, all that matters is winning the conference.

[vtlax88]

Yeah I agree pretty much with everything you said laxbum. Tim is a great player, one of the best attackmen I have ever seen, he is irreplaceable. I do however have to say (of course) that all three attackmen for VT are all studs as well, which makes what Tim did this year even more respectable. Tom Schauder (#4) is the most athletic kid I have ever seen, and is right behin Noonan on the PPG list. Then you have Matt Silton (#17), another great finisher (6 goals in the final), all three work so well together and Tim will be hard to replace no doubt.

[IceBerg4586]

i feel like you have to look at OMVP like this ... without Noonan on attack for FSU they dont really have a great finisher. Not to take away from their other players because they have a lot of extremely talented guys on that team. But if you take Tyrell out of the VaTech attack, they still have other players that can keep them in the game. Tyrell doesnt COMPLETELY change the face of the game. Noonan completely changes the game for FSU.

Its like this, the two guys that are in the running for NBA MVP are Kobe and Chris Paul, because if you take them off their respective teams they are extremely missed. They both change the face of the game. Garnett is up there for NBA MVP, but if you take him away the Celtics still have Ray Allan (aka Jesus Shuttleworth) and Paul Pierce.

I think that is the reasoning behind his 3rd consecutive OMVP

[vtlax88]

I can somewhat agree with that Iceberg, but again with all those other people who can contribute on VT Tim still did great things and put up big numbers. I know its over and it's a very tough decision, I just wanted to hear from someone who might have been a part of the voting to get more insight.

[Laxbum]

I also agree that #17 and #4 were sick attackman for VT. #17 might have had 4 or 5 in a row in the 4th qtr of the final game.

On a side note, Shaun Magahan (#11 attack, tournament OMVP) played with #4 in HS. Would loved to have seen that duo in HS.


Still think it should go to tyrell.

[Vols2]

i tend to think most of the votes for that sort of award are based on actually seeing the players play...i don't think stats are taken into account as much as everyone thinks.

Agree 100%


...there's too much bitching about who didn't get what. It's a fact of life that everyone on your starting roster can't be on the list.

[vtlax88]

i tend to think most of the votes for that sort of award are based on actually seeing the players play...i don't think stats are taken into account as much as everyone thinks.

Agree 100%


...there's too much bitching about who didn't get what. It's a fact of life that everyone on your starting roster can't be on the list.

"Bitching"? No, not "bitching". I simply have been asking for more insight on what criteria is used to decide these awards from an actual voter (If possible). If it is base on people seeing the players play then the stats I brought up (Big Team/Big Game Stats) would show how the players played. I don't need to repeat them. It's funny you say "Bitching" and pretty sure no one ever said everyone on their "starting roster" should be on the list.

[Vols2]

Was using a little sarcasm with the starting roster comment. As for the "bitching"...use a different word for it, that's fine with me.

I'm sure different voters have different criteria but from my knowledge and thoughts, it would be based on what that voter has seen...sure that might leave out certain player that voter hasn't seen in a current year but that's how it has to work.

[Ken Lovic]

Basic Process:
Coaches are given ample time to nominate up to 8 players. Then, based on the final standings of the SELC we accept a XXX amount of players from each team based on their finish.
Those players are then put into groupings (attack, defense, etc...).
I then have a committee of highly involved and traveled coaches from DI (4 of us total) who then vote on the teams (1st, 2nd, HM).
I calculate the votes and then present the All Conf awards.
Each player's stats and coaches comments are presented to each committee member. There is a discussion amongst the members on players.

There is never a good process for this sort of thing- especially when teams do not submit nominations. We had 5 DI teams NOT submit players. To me, that is a dis-service to your players.
No matter how your season goes you owe it to your players to nominate them. The ones who do nominate- it is tough for them as well. Picking just 8 can be difficult.

[NinerCoach]

There is never a good process for this sort of thing- especially when teams do not submit nominations. We had 5 DI teams NOT submit players. To me, that is a dis-service to your players.
No matter how your season goes you owe it to your players to nominate them. The ones who do nominate- it is tough for them as well. Picking just 8 can be difficult.

Amen. (to both parts)

And just to address something from a few posts up, I know that as a selector in DII I personally do factor in first hand viewing of players. They're important, but if two players have good stats and I've seen one, then that will decide who I favor between the two.

Player A and Player B could have identical stats. (Say 30 goals, 20 assists.) I've seen Player B in person and have seen him have success against a defense and keeper I know to be of high quality. I'm going to take that into account.

Of course if Player B dissapeared in that game and didn't make a mark in the stat book, I'll hesitate to favor him. (especially if it looks like he put his numbers up against weaker opponents.)

The process is subjective and you're never going to make everyone happy, that's just the way it is.

I know in DII (so I assume it's the same in DI) that they try to pick representatives from each region in order to make sure every player has been seen by at least one rep. I think that the system is honestly as good (and fair) as it could get.

And to reiterate; Coaches who don't nominate their players or vote for "X of the year" awards are doing a disservice to their team and the league.