Should fans boycott the Olympics?

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Should fans boycott the Olympics?

Postby StrykerFSU on Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:26 pm

A lot of talk is swirling around the Summer Games this year. Some athletes are withdrawing because of fears about the high levels of pollution in Beijing and some are advocating that the IOC should move the games in protest of China's woeful human rights record.
At this point, the Beijing Games are shaping up as a disaster. The violent police action in Tibet and other events of the past two weeks make one wonder if the Chinese government is fundamentally unfit to host an Olympics. Officials there have violated the basic spirit of the event and reneged on every promise they made to the International Olympic Committee about their willingness to accommodate the world.

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I for one don't watch the Olympics outside of USA Hockey and will be honeymooning during the Games so I won't be watching no matter what. What about everyone else? Is it time that the American consumer takes a stand and changes the channel on the Olympics?
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Postby primetime21 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:42 pm

this is a touchy subject i think with the state of america and our foreign image. america should go to the olympics to compete and we as america should support that. America is viewed as the devil almost everywhere these days and would not look good from a public standpoint to go against anything involved with stopping the Olympics.

however if the consensus of the world were to boycott then that is a different story.

how or i guess why did china get the olympics in the first place??
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Re: Should fans boycott the Olympics?

Postby Dan Wishengrad on Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:43 pm

StrykerFSU wrote:I will be honeymooning during the Games so I won't be watching no matter what.


Mazel Tov, Cliff, and congrats on your pending nuptials! I hope she is a good Democrat -- you know they say opposites attract and make for the happiest marriages. Just look at Mary Matalin and James Carville, if you have any doubts. :lol:
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Postby Jana on Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:46 pm

The US should attend. Athletes have sacrificed their whole lives for the past 4 years, lived far from loved ones, begged money off friends and relatives to commit to their training, and put off real careers, so they can compete in the Olympics. Most olympians do not get much financial support from the USOC and their NGB's don't have a lot to throw around either. If you ever speak to Olympic athletes who could not attend the 1980 games, the bitterness towards Jimmy Carter remains even today.

Don't let athletes and the Olympic Games become pawns of American foreign policy. Yes, the Chinese will try to use the Olympics to further their own political agenda, but individual athletes can thwart that by their outspoken opinions in interviews, far more than a boycott.

We will bring more attention to the problems in Tibet if we send our athletes, and do not put gag orders on them (as the Australians and Brits tried to do before the athletes' withering criticisms).

For many Americans, Tommy Smith and John Carlos are Olympic heros for their 1968 protest on the medal podium. THAT is where we should make our statements. Bring the Tibetan flag to the medal podium. The Chinese will not be in a position to drag them off the medal podium, the local fans may boo, but the media will eat it up and the Tibetan citizens will know they have international support.
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Postby StrykerFSU on Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:20 pm

I was really talking more about will we, as fans, boycott the Games by not watching. I don't know of anyone who is seriously advocating that the U.S. not send athletes to Beijing.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:20 pm

With the amount of coverage that NBC Olympics will be providing across their vast platforms, the Games will be hard to miss. What is going to hammer NBC is the 13 hour time difference between Beijing and the east coast. NBC faced a similar time zone difference in Sydney.

The sports landscape is pretty bleak in August. People will watch. The public is not as hip as you think to the human rights crisis. They don't even seem to care about our own human rights abuses, so why do you think they care about China's.

American athletes + American pride= Ratings. Add to that the Communist angle and the first (and only?) chance most Americans will get to see a country and its society, they are golden.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:27 pm

Jana wrote:For many Americans, Tommy Smith and John Carlos are Olympic heros for their 1968 protest on the medal podium. THAT is where we should make our statements. Bring the Tibetan flag to the medal podium. The Chinese will not be in a position to drag them off the medal podium, the local fans may boo, but the media will eat it up and the Tibetan citizens will know they have international support.


I agree with you about Carlos and Smith (Harry Edwards is another subject all together). As for any potential Tibetan flag protests, I doubt it. The IOC has stiff penalties that the international sports federations follow in lock step. It would be nice to see a moment like that though.
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Postby Jana on Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:23 pm

for TV viewing, if you can get reception, watch the Canadian channel, 1/10th the commercials and 10 times more sports (sans pathetic tear jerking overproduced segments on up close and personal athletes, or the "glory of the olympics").

Actually ratings have been going down because people just check the internet for results. I think NBC will have to show more live coverage this year, or we will all be cruising the European channels for streaming live coverage.
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Postby culax on Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:26 pm

Is lacrosse an olympic sport? Then I will continue my boycott.

The Tibetan flag at the medal podium is an interesting idea. I don't think it is likely to happen.
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Postby Zeuslax on Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:27 am

I personally don't think the athletes should boycott the Olympics. The games should transcend all politics. However, this is an amazing opportunity to bring a broad spectrum light to how polluted and dirty the country of China is. China is going through it's own industrial revolution and the air quality in Beijing is absolutely terrible. Also, if done correctly, this situation could shine a light on how much effort is needed globally to secure our environment.

I would like to see the athletes continue to train in South Korea and Japan and fly in just prior to their competitions. They should leave as soon as they can. The village should remain empty of athletes.........unfortunately.
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Postby BigheadTodd on Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:48 pm

On the flag subject, China threw a fit at the Salt Lake games. A downtown apartment highrise put flags out on all the balconies. One of them was the Tawianese flag, and the Chinese delegation complained to the city, as well as the organizing committee.
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Postby JW on Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:04 am

i don't think their should be a boycot. As a country that is actively involved in the world scene, the only way that we can have an impact is to be there.

As one is missionally minded, it is the places that have the issues like this that drive me. If we the United States is truly going to have an impact on the world, we have to actively engage the world. If i wish to have an impact in the Global Mission of God than i must be actively engaging in that mission.

You don't correct a problem by ignoring it. China does not care what the US says. China is no different than many countries in the world. In Africa civil rights cases occur annually in different countries as it did in Kenya in November and December, and what did the US do, nothing. Terrorists attacks from Palestine into Israel occured last year and this year, but I don't know if there will ever be anything that we (the US) can do to help that situation be resolved. It is a battle that has been going on for Millenia.

Its funny though when you think about it. The things that are occuring in Israel and have occured in Africa are similar to that of Iraq, but oh wait i forgot, the US has political and economic interests in Iraq. Interesting how that works out.

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Postby beckner11 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:54 am

StrykerFSU wrote:I was really talking more about will we, as fans, boycott the Games by not watching. I don't know of anyone who is seriously advocating that the U.S. not send athletes to Beijing.


The US citizens already barely watch the games which furthers the fact that there is no patriotism here, so it won't really make much of a difference anyway!
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Postby laxfan25 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:55 am

Regarding the '68 Olympics in Mexico City, the things I remember most are the black power salute by Carlos and Smith (and believe me, at the time they were not considered national heroes!) and Bob Beamon's amazing long jump - breaking the existing record by almost TWO FEET! Simply stunning.

Of course, politics should have no place in the Olympics. :roll: That's why, 10 days before the Mexico City Games began, 300 student protesters were massacred by the Mexico City police and army. The IOC, in an emergency meeting to consider cancelling the games, decided that this was a "local matter" and the games should go on. However, when Smith and Carlos did their powerful and non-violent statement, they were stripped of their medals and sent home from the games. Some may remember that the IOC President at the time was Avery Brundage, a fossil and dictator of the Olympics.

While he was an Olympic athlete as a youth, his record on the USOC and IOC was shameful. After all, why would we want to boycott Hitler's Games? Thank God for Jesse Owens! He also made the decision to continue the Munich Games after the slaughter of the Israeli athletes.

A little history on the man who ran the Olympics for 20 years...

Brundage was an all-around athlete, competing in the 1912 Summer Olympics in Stockholm in the pentathlon and decathlon events, finishing 6th and 16th, respectively. He also won the US national all-around title in 1914, 1916 and 1918.

In 1928, Brundage became president of the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU). He became the president of the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) in 1929 and gained the vice-presidency of the International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) in 1930.

As USOC president, Brundage rejected any proposals to boycott the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, where German Jews were excluded, and became a member of the International Olympic Committee after the group expelled American Ernest Lee Jahnke, who had urged athletes to boycott the Berlin games.

On the morning of the 400-meter relay race, at the last moment, the only two Jews on the 1936 US track team, Marty Glickman and Sam Stoller, were replaced by Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalfe. Glickman later said that that decision might have been the result of pressure from Brundage. Brundage later praised the Nazi regime at a Madison Square rally, and was expelled from the America First Committee in 1941 because of his pro-German leanings. After the 1936 Olympics, Brundage's company, the Avery Brundage Company, was awarded a building contract by Nazi Germany in 1938 to build the German Embassy in America. Brundage was notified in a letter from Nazi authorities acknowledging Brundage's pro-Nazi sympathies. As late as 1971, after many revelations over Nazi Germany's use of the 1936 Olympics for their own propaganda, Brundage still claimed "The Berlin Games were the finest in modern history...I will accept no dispute over that fact".

During his tenure as IOC president, Brundage strongly opposed any form of professionalism in the Olympic Games. Gradually, this opinion became less accepted by the sports world and other IOC members. It led to some embarrassing incidents, such as the exclusion of Austrian skier Karl Schranz, who was accused of being a professional, from the 1972 Winter Olympics.

He opposed the restoration of Olympic medals to Native American athlete Jim Thorpe, who had been stripped of them when it was found that he had played professional baseball before taking part in the 1912 Olympic games (where he had beaten Brundage in the pentathlon and decathlon). Despite this, Brundage accepted the "shamateurism" from Eastern bloc countries, in which team members were nominally students, soldiers, or civilians working in a non-sports profession, but in reality were paid by their states to train on a full-time basis. Brundage claimed it was "their way of life." It was revealed after his death that Brundage had been responsible for notifying the IOC of Thorpe's playing professional baseball years before.

Brundage opposed the inclusion of women as Olympic competitors; he insisted they have no role in the Olympic Games beyond the ceremonial or decorative. He was quoted in 1936: "I am fed up to the ears with women as track and field competitors... her charms sink to something less than zero. As swimmers and divers, girls are [as] beautiful and adroit as they are ineffective and unpleasing on the track." (Quoted from The Ultimate Book of Sports Lists, by Andrew Postman and Larry Stone, 1990

Brundage also opposed anything that he viewed as the politicisation of sport. At the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, US sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists to show support for the Black Power movement during their medal ceremony. Brundage expelled both men from the Olympic Village, suspended them from the US Olympic team and had them stripped of their medals. It must be noted that Brundage oversaw the IOC during the most eggregious violations of amateur sportsmenship during the rise of state funded athletics in the eastern bloc.

He may be best remembered for his decision during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Germany, to continue the Games following the 5 September Palestinian terrorist attack which killed 11 Israeli athletes. While some (such as Israel) criticized Brundage's decision, most did not, and few athletes withdrew from the Games. The Olympic competition was suspended on September 5 for one complete day. The next day, a memorial service of 80,000 spectators and 3,000 athletes was held in the Olympic Stadium. Brundage gave an address in which he stated

"Every civilized person recoils in horror at the barbarous criminal intrusion of terrorists into peaceful Olympic precincts. We mourn our Israeli friends [...] victims of this brutal assault. The Olympic flag and the flags of all the world fly at half mast. Sadly, in this imperfect world, the greater and the more important the Olympic Games become, the more they are open to commercial, political, and now criminal pressure. The Games of the XXth Olympiad have been subject to two savage attacks. We lost the Rhodesian battle against naked political blackmail. I am sure that the public will agree that we cannot allow a handful of terrorists to destroy this nucleus of international cooperation and goodwill we have in the Olympic movement. The Games must go on...."

– Simon Reeve, "One Day in September" (2000)


To this day the IOC has never officially recognised this tragedy during any of the games held since.

Brundage strongly opposed the exclusion of Rhodesia from the Olympics due to its racial policies: after the attacks in Munich, Brundage linked the massacre of the Israeli athletes and the barring of the Rhodesian team (see above). He later apologized for the comparison. Brundage is also remembered for his proposal of elimination of ALL team sports from the Summer Olympics. He also wanted to eliminate the Winter Olympics entirely.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:39 am

Avery Brundage gets referenced on these boards. YES!!!!

And Marty Glickman went on to be one of the finest sports broadcasters in history.
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