playoff seeding

[GeorgiaLacrosse]

does anyone know how the playoff seeding is looking?

i think if vtech wins out they'll get the number 1
if uf beats fsu then i think uf gets the 2
if fsu wins then it'd be between them and uga for the 2?

it looks like vtech uf fsu and uga are locks
who are the last two spots?

cf and gtech?

[StickSideHigh]

This years SELC tourney is the best one since it began. There are no clear favorites. I think what is going to make it great is that if a team loses their is no guarantee they will make the national tourney unlike in the years past.

[IceBerg4586]

because of how the playoff teams are selected, UCF has already been eliminated from being selected for the SELC playoffs. UF and FSU will represent the south, VaTech and Clemson will represent the North, and Georgia is the only lock from the Central so far. It looks like if Auburn can beat Vandy of Saturday, they will be the other team from the Central...

so the 6 SELC D-1 teams will probably be (In no particular order) FSU, UF, VaTech, Clemson, UGA and Auburn.

[NELax]

Hope I can help
Correct me if I am wrong but I see it like this for the A Division

If Florida St. beats Florida

1. VT
2. Georgia
3. Florida St.
4. Florida
5. Central 2nd team
6. Clemson

If Florida beats Florida St.

1. Florida
2. VT
3. Georgia
4. Florida St
5. Central 2nd team
6. Clemson

Central scenario

it comes down to Auburn/Vandy game. If Auburn wins they are in and if Vandy wins then Tennessee should be in the playoffs.

Top 3 Seeds
Florida if they win will be the only undefeated in the SELC
If Florida loses then VT would be 1 b/c they beat the other two teams

I may be wrong in having head to head as highest criteria for separating teams, however, if that is the case then I believe that is how things will work out.

[GeorgiaLacrosse]

thats too bad cf is alreadt eliminated... i wanted to see them in the tournament... would the selc ever change the rules in years to come and let 3 teams from one division make the playoffs?

[Hugh Nunn]

thats too bad cf is alreadt eliminated... i wanted to see them in the tournament... would the selc ever change the rules in years to come and let 3 teams from one division make the playoffs?

The SELC has grown so much over the years. The SELC board has always strived to put the most deserving teams in the playoffs (I can personally attest to this). However in setting up divisions whose members are so far apart, I would assume that considerations were made to ensure each region was represented. UCF has had a great year. Its too bad if they are not going to be in Atlanta next week. Its a credit to the conference that more than just three or four teams are having outstanding seasons. And it always seems that so much hangs in the balance of the UF/FSU game.
Look at the WCLL. There are teams that have not made the playoffs in years past that would have probably won other conferences and had an AQ to Nationals. Not much consolation to UCF but they now know they can play with the class of this conference and can channel that confidence and this frustration into next year's season.
I would be surprised if there were not at least a conversation about changing the seeding process. However, teams need to focus on winning their division to ensure postseason play, because no matter how many times things are changed to broaden the playoff picture, there will always be a bubble team making a case for one more loophole.

Should be a great time in Atlanta next weekend!

[Danny Hogan]

it all revolves around the imbalance of the divisions....without looking at it...i believe it is like this:

North 5 teams
Central 4 teams
South 4 teams

this makes the old "cross divisional mandatory games" moot because it would be impossible to get everyone the same amount of playoff qualifying games....therefore the next best option is just to take the 2 top teams from each division. The imbalance of divisional strength from year to year has led to "less deserving" teams making the playoffs...but it is the only option.

Being that only games that are counted for the playoffs are divisional games....hypothetically,

the winner of the UF/FSU game, UGa, and VT (if both win out, i don't know what they have left) will all be undefeated and i believe it will go to the first tie breaker which is average (?) goals against in divisional games.

The VT/FSU, FSU/UGA, UGA/VT, UF/UGa, UCF/VT were all games that were scheduled simply to pick up other strong opponents and have no bearing on the conference playoffs....

on the whole....it is good to see 5 SELC teams in the top 25 again....conference lacks the "favorite" top 10 team it has had in the past, but the overall parity will no doubt lead to a great conference tourney and potentially 3 teams at nationals (long shot, but possible bearing other national bubble team performances).

I think*

[IceBerg4586]

the conference breakdown is as follows ...
North - 6 teams
Central - 5 teams
South - 5 teams

The SELC had a system in place 2 years ago to allow the top team in each division to get an automatic bid to the playoffs and then the next best 3 teams in the entire conference. What ever happened to that system. With the system in place now, the #25 team in the country doesnt get the chance to try and become conference champs.

If the 3 team wildcard system was used this year UGA, VaTech and the winner of the FSU/UF game would be the top 3. Then the next 3 would be the loser of the UF/FSU game, UCF and either Clemson/GTech/Auburn. This allows for the best teams in the SELC to compete for a conference championship.

With the parity in the MCLA growing among the top 10-25 teams in the country its difficult to create a system where every team has a chance to make their Conference playoffs and the NC. Any one of these teams can compete with the others on any given day.

[Danny Hogan]

you cannot have a wildcard system with an imbalance in the #of teams in the divisions( though i listed them wrong previously)....wild-card system would require at least even divsions with a preference of mandatory intradivisional play....i agree that the wildcard system is best (i had previously lobbied for it like 4 or 5 years ago when it went to 3 divisions).

my guess is that the year they used the wildcard system, there were only 5 teams in the north.

[GeorgiaLacrosse]

I was looking at the rulebook that we got at the league meeting and realized that my earlier post of how the seedings might be was actually incorrect. According to those rules that are in the SELC handbook, UGA is going to be a 1 or 2 seed no matter what.

The rule book says that all three sectional winners will be seeded with the top 3 seeds and that "despite their mandatory records, all three sectional winners will be seeded based on the Three Teams tied tiebreaker"

If Florida State beats Florida head to head competition is the decisive factor in seeding - since Virginia Tech, UGA and Florida State all played each other it would be 1. Virginia Tech (2-0); 2. UGA (1-1); 3 Florida State (0-2).

If Florida beats Florida State since all three teams did not play head to head it goes to a different tiebreaker. It is record versus common SELC opponents. The only common opponent between Virginia Tech, Florida and UGA is Florida State, so all three would be 1-0. Then it goes to goals allowed to common SELC opponents. Virginia Tech gave up 13 goals to Florida State. UGA only gave up 9 goals. So if Florida beat Florida State, depending on how many goals they gave up it could be 1. Florida; 2. UGA; 3. Virginia Tech or 1. UGA; 2. Florida; 3; Virginia Tech or 1. UGA; 2. Virginia Tech; 3. Florida

so under all the scenarios UGA would be a 1 or 2 seed no matter what happens at the Florida / Florida State game according to the rulebook that was distributed to all teams at the SELC meeting.

[Danny Hogan]

nice work....

may need to make sure the SELC admin reads and checks this...seems right to me....i believe they are thinking otherwise....

[Ken Lovic]

Why would I need to read this when in its IN the handbook we HANDED out in the fall meeting?
I have gotten various e-mails from different teams about this. If people actually paid attention to the fall meeting discussions and handbook this whole thread would not be this long.
http://selc.org/index.php?section=information

Please don't take this as being angry, I am not. Having some fun at teams' expense for paying attention NOW.
best of luck to everyone this weekend

[Sonny]

2008 SELC Intersectional Tie Breaker Rules

The following rules are intended to resolve ties among two or more teams at the conclusion of the regular season. The rules depend upon the number of teams that are tied. The selection criteria are applied successively until a decision is indicated.

In event two team’s tie:
1. Head to head competition
2. Record vs. common mandatory sectional opponents
3. Record vs. common SELC divisional opponents
4. Average of goals allowed to common mandatory sectional opponents (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average)
5. Goals allowed over all SELC divisional games. (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average)
6. Coin toss

Should three or more teams tie - and all have played each other
1. Head to head competition.
2. Goals allowed to the other two teams.
3. If one of the teams is eliminated, go to the two team qualifying rules for the remaining two teams.
4. Average goals allowed to common SELC divisional opponents (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
7. Average goals allowed over all SELC divisional games. (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
8. coin toss

Should three or more teams tie – have not all played each other

1. Record vs. common SELC divisional opponents
2. Average goals allowed to sectional opponents. (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average)
3. Average goals allowed over all common SELC divisional games. (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average)
4. Coin toss

SELC Division I and II
Sectional Champion Seeding for Championship Tournament

All three sectional winners will be seeded for the SELC Championship Tournament. The top 3 seeds of the tournament will only be eligible to these sectional winners. Despite their mandatory records, all three sectional winners will be seeded based on the Three Teams Tied Tiebreaker. If needed after this tiebreaker is used the Two Team Tiebreaker will be used to seed the final two teams.

Two or Three Team Tie Breaker- if all three teams play one another
1. Head to head competition record (two team tie breaker ends here).
2. Goals allowed to the other two teams
3. If one of the teams is eliminated, go to the two team qualifying rules
4. Average goals allowed to common SELC divisional opponents (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
5. Average goals allowed over all SELC divisional games. (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
6. Coin toss

Two or Three Team Tie Breaker- if all three teams do NOT play one another
1. Record versus common SELC divisional opponents
2. Average goals allowed to common SELC divisional opponents (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
3. Average goals allowed to all SELC opponents (Note: forfeited games will not be counted in determining GA average).
4. Coin toss

[LAXDawg14]

so after today what do people think the playoffs will look like?

North:
Va Tech
Clemson

Central:
UGA
Auburn

South:
FSU
UF

[NinerCoach]

Anyone know when we can expect to see an official playoff seeding/game schedule?

I'm gonna have to pull strings to get out of work early Friday in order to make it to Atlanta, so I need to know how early...