PNCLL 2008 All-Conference

[Thrilla]

totally unrelated to the subject but maybe next year the pncll should have a forum for both A and B division. There are at least two completely different conversations in here. I don't think Div A or Div B care much about the other nearly as much as they care about their own division. Just a thought. FYI I'm hella selfish but I still got a lot of love for my buddies playing Div. B.

[I'm back baby!!!]

thanks for the enlightenment... I forgot I guess how big our margins used to be... something like 24-3 over WOU last year (couldn't help myself, sorry).

We still never had anybody average over 2 assists per game on the season. I guess I'll have to learn how to put in a more well rounded offense. If you're guys have pulled this off it's a tremendous accomplishment... but a bit suspect to me.

On another note... love how good the "B" guys have been playing this year, seriously. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Final Four in Missoula soon.

Gonna have to agree with Mark on this one, the roster is down to like 16 guys and if you get a chance to see WOU play you'll see that they are about as unselfish as it gets, plus the keepers in this league can get pretty suspect and WOU has guys unafraid to shoot it from the outside, so a lot of assists are just regular passes a guys desicdes to rip, which is still an assist, so maybe it's not a beuatiful crease finish, but every WOU stat can be backed by film. I suggest everyone get their own Christopher Curtis, he can be purchased for 599$ at any Best Buy.

[WOULAX21]

every WOU stat can be backed by film. I suggest everyone get their own Christopher Curtis, he can be purchased for 599$ at any Best Buy.

Hayden, This is why you, my friend, are the man!

[tiki monster]

I second Thrilla. But you know it's now Div 1 and 2. It's ok, you're just an econ major.

[playlax]

This looks like a thread thats turning into a place where everyone can stroke WOU's ego... not one for the promotion of everyone in the league

[Timbalaned]

Andrew Vincent is the greatest thing on the lacrosse field since sliced bread. Just so ya'll know.

[woulax23]

**BTW, these numbers could be totally accurate (I have no idea) and I don't mean to take anything away from the teams or to get into a pointless argument. Just some food for thought... I like stats.

Kevin, I also love stats. So I was bored/being a forum nerd and I came up with these stats. They are the top 6 teams from each division with their team scoring broken down. It lists the assists, goals, and percentage of goals that were assisted under the team name. It also shows the number of players scoring per team in parentheses next to the team name.
DI
UW (15)
A – 105
G – 147
P – 71

OSU (14)
A – 54
G – 96
P – 56

SFU (20)
A - 89
G - 164
P - 54

Montana (16)
A – 86
G – 165
P – 52

Oregon (28 )
A – 113
G – 237
P – 48

BSU (10)
A – 20
G – 62
P – 32

DII

CWU (12)
A – 79
G – 111
P – 72

UPS (14)
A – 67
G – 101
P – 66

WOU (11)
A – 114
G – 195
P – 58

SOU (9)
A – 67
G – 125
P – 54


Whitman (10)
A – 48
G – 96
P – 50


WWU (12)
A – 64
G – 135
P – 47


Here is an extra little nugget for us true nerds on here to enjoy
GU From 2005 (12)
A – 73
G – 126
P – 58

Looking at these teams top to bottom it is kind of consistent when going from the most percentage of assists to least when comparing divisions. The only disparity I can associate between the two is the number of players rostered and scoring points. The average number of players scoring points for those six DI teams are17. That is three more players scoring than the highest DII team. The average for DII is 11 players per team scoring. It makes sense to me that if the scoring is going to be spread among more players but the percentage of assisted goals is comparable than DII will have more players averaging more assists.

…. This might be the longest post I have ever made….. and it’s kind of useless….. God I’m a nerd…… because I actually enjoyed doing this…..

P.S. I am fairly certain that when our coach referred to a well-rounded offense it was much more of a comparison to how we play ball now rather than we did in the past. I don't think that he was comparing our offense as a better one than yours, but who knows that Mark Haner is a crazy guy. Don't listen to his offensive talk though, we all know that all he could do was rip from the outside

[primetime21]

where's the PLU stats?? are these just stats for this year?

[timekeeper]

Makes me wish I hadn't only kept track of Willamette's goals this year. Well, there's only so much you can do with a one person table crew.

[TheBearcatHimself]

Makes me wish I hadn't only kept track of Willamette's goals this year. Well, there's only so much you can do with a one person table crew.

Which is why I only allowed an assist if I remembered it and multiple people backed it up as an assist. Plenty of my players claimed more assists than they got.

[woulax23]

where's the PLU stats?? are these just stats for this year?

Sorry.... as you can see from the post time it was 4 or 5 am when I did this so i just did the top 6 teams from each division. I was getting a little delirious by the end with just those teams. I am sure that before the weekend is out I will have time to do the entire PNCLL. My personal apologies to all of the teams that I left out, that does not have any bearing on whether I think your guys should be up for accolades.

[Tyler Baumann]

That's why film is sweet for stats, unless you are making silly you tube videos..........

[woulax23]

That's why film is sweet for stats, unless you are making silly you tube videos..........

you are totally right. We never use our game film for help with stats or making our team better. In fact we don't even let our guys see the actual game footage, just our sweet clips on youtube!!!!! As soon as the new video is edited we make Chris delete the actual film......

[Blynk22]

Which is why I only allowed an assist if I remembered it and multiple people backed it up as an assist. Plenty of my players claimed more assists than they got.

I dont know how other teams define assists but I know that Bubba will take the assist away if a player so much as side steps a defender after catching a feed or juggles the catch before shooting. Only 'Bang-Bang' goals get assists at PLU.

[TheBearcatHimself]

Which is why I only allowed an assist if I remembered it and multiple people backed it up as an assist. Plenty of my players claimed more assists than they got.

I dont know how other teams define assists but I know that Bubba will take the assist away if a player so much as side steps a defender after catching a feed or juggles the catch before shooting. Only 'Bang-Bang' goals get assists at PLU.

That is the rule as I understand it.

Any evasion of a defender, other than the goalie, by any movement of the body or stick rules out an assist. The point of an assist being that it was a great pass to find the OPEN man. Also, a commonly misconstrued aspect of the rule in terms of lacrosse is that if you take more than two steps (like in basketball) it is not an assist. Actually a goalie can make an outlet pass to an open attack on the other side of the defense and he can run 40 yards and make a shot and score and it was assisted by the goalie (as long as no other evasion was made).