Division B playoffs questions

Division B playoffs questions

Postby Kyle Berggren on Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:47 pm

1. Montana (Division 8-0)
2. Linfield (Division 8-0)
3. PLU (Division 6-2)
4.Whitman (Division 5-3) (7-3 against PNCLL B teams, 70% win percentage)
5. Western Oregon (6-2 Division) (6-3 against PNCLL B teams, 67% win percentage)
6. UPS (6-2 Division) (5-3 against PNCLL B teams as far as playoffs matter, 62% win percentage)

For any board members... is this correct??????

Our tie breakers were listed as:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Goal Differential in Games Between the Tied Teams (only)
3. Goal Differential in All PNCLL B Games Played
4. Number of Wins in OOC Games Against Other B Teams
5. Number of Wins in Games Against A Teams
6. Laxpower TSI 4/18/05

*from the PNCLL site*Evergreen games do not count toward at-large playoff births.
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Postby Dan Wishengrad on Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:49 pm

Almost Kyle -- but you have (surprisingly) your own team's record listed incorrectly. Bubba and I just went over this all carefully, and we believe THIS are the correct seedings:

1. Montana 7-0* (Division Record) B-East Champ
2. Linfield 8-0 (Division Record) B-South Champ
3. Pacific Lutheran 6-2 (Division Record) B-North Champ
4. Whitman 7-3 (PNCLL B Record) At-Large
5. Puget Sound 7-3 (PNCLL B Record) At-Large
6. Western Oregon 6-3 (PNCLL B Record)

Whitman and UPS did not play in 2005, so the tie-breaker that decides who is #4 and who is #5 is Goal Differential in all B Games. Whitman is +56 in their 10 games which count, UPS is +14 in their 10 games which count.

Quarter-Finals
#6 Western Oregon at #3 Pacific Lutheran
#5 Puget Sound at #6 Whitman

Semi-Finals
#1 Montana vs UPS/Whitman winner
#2 Linfield vs PLU/WOU winner

* = Despite unequal records, Montana is judged the higher seed and this was approved by Linfield -- Coach Hart approached the Executive Board and said if this comes to pass that Montana should be number #1. This saved us a big headache, and was one of the classiest moves I have ever seen. Thanks Linfield!

Good luck to Montana, Linfield, Pacific Lutheran, Whitman, Puget Sound and Western Oregon in the playoffs. I'm really looking forward to watching the B semis up in BC.
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Postby muchachojones on Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:46 pm

I was wondering about UPS's forteited wins vs. Evergreen. It says on the main page of the website that those wins will not count toward an atlarge bid. Is it that they only don't count for those teams who did not play them as part of a divisional schedule?
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:58 pm

The way it was explained to me, about an hour ago was....

At Large PNCLL record=Divisional games + games against PNCLL B teams

The games are counted toward the Divisional games for conference, therefore added to this equation. The do not could as 'games against PNCLL B teams." I hope that makes sense. Essentially, it counts if and only if it was a Divisional game.
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Postby Dr. Jason Stockton on Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:46 pm

It may have been easier to understand had it been written that Evergreen forfeits only count if it was one of your divisional games. . .i.e. two wins for WWU, PLU and UPS. . .as well as one win for Montana and Central. Any other Evergreen games are essentially meaningless.

So, when looking at potentail at-large teams, the TESC games vs. UPS, CWU and WWU counted. Montana and PLU won their divisions. WWU was eliminated when WOU won twice over this past weekend.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:58 pm

The Evergreen games counted for B-East members Whitman and Albertson... enless there was another change I am unaware of....

PLU & UPS vs CWU & Montana counted as Division games
WC & AC vs. WWU & TESC counted as Division games
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Postby Dr. Jason Stockton on Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:32 pm

My bad. . .I got that backwards. You are correct Kyle, the TESC games that counted were against Albertson and Whitman.
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