Scottsdale CC lacrosse coach

[Sonny]

What if the NCAA said they do not want to allow some of your "clubs" who have aspirations of joining the NCAA tournament the same thing?

The NCAA wouldn't say such a thing. Individual colleges/universities make the decision to sponsor a varsity sport. (Not the NCAA).

[WaterBoy]

I have a question.

If a player did play on one of these CC teams, played against some USLIA opponents, and then transferred to a USLIA program, would the years he played in CC affect his eligibility?

If I recall correctly, Oakland was suspended last year for something almost exactly along the lines of that. I know it was not for using the player, but for using him a fifth year, having counted his years on a JC or CC or private club team as intercollegiate.

I'm just wondering if the years spent on a CC team that plays intercollegiate would affect eligibility.

[bbandlax]

Walker Bateman, a recent transfer to BYU, played for two years at Herkimer Community College. It is my understanding that he only has two years of eligibility remaining (counting this year) at BYU.

[Sonny]

I'm just wondering if the years spent on a CC team that plays intercollegiate would affect eligibility.

I believe it does. You only have four years to play MDIA, NCAA (varsity - D1, D2, D3), Junior College, other collegiate club ball.

[bgigs2]

Does anyone know if someone is planning on taking on the task of coaching this Scottsdale CC? I know that there maybe plans for me int he future to move out to AZ to coach a high school program, but if there is going to be a CC team that has possiblity of playing in a JuCo league than i would consider taking on that task. I have been coaching under John Paul at U of M for the past 3 years now, looking to possibly take on the task of head coach. If anyone has and insight could you please reply or send me a message.

[Danny Hogan]

Quote "The major drawback to that right now is that by the time you would get that type of organization set up, the motivated players would probably be gone from the school."

If you look at the likes of Nassau CC 22 national championships, Herkimer CC, Essex CC etc they have done pretty well for themselves and have sustained strong programs and traditions that can be rivaled by few. I dont think these players/porgrams were unmotivated.

nassau, herk, essex were not started and run by students.

even if they were they would have a much easier time sustaining the programs because of the sheer amount of lacrosse players in their region.

The MDIA's primary purpose is providing a forum of competition for intercollegiate lacrosse clubs. Spreading lacrosse is not the goal of the league, it is a result.

[lilaxstats]

This seems like sad commentary for a league(MDIA), such as yours, not allowing for the growth, expansion and progression of a sport we all love.

The rejection of such "new" programs, at any level of competition, is not in the spirit of what US Lacrosse has envisioned.

[OAKS]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MDIA hasn't rejected them yet. Scottsdale hasn't even gotten a coach, let alone applied for membership to the WCLL or MDIA have they? We currently have to deal with 4-year programs that cycle through organization and disorganization and back again (see Vanderbilt over the past three years). A 2-year program could easily turn into a nightmare (then again, it could become a powerhouse if you can combine a decent high school league nearby, a dedicated coach, and the little to no admission requirements). I think that if a CC can demostrate they have long-term organization, the MDIA would be willing to let them join. We just haven't had to deal with it yet.

[Sonny]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MDIA hasn't rejected them yet. Scottsdale doesn't have a coach, let alone applied for membership to the WCLL or MDIA have they? We currently have to deal with 4-year programs that cycle through organization and disorganization and back again (see Vanderbilt over the past three years). A 2-year program could easily turn into a nightmare (then again, it could become a powerhouse if you can comgine is a decent high school league nearby, a dedicated coach, and the little to no admission requirements). I think that if a CC can demostrate they have long-term organization, the MDIA would be willing to let them join. We just haven't had to deal with it yet.

Amen.

The gentleman from Georgia Tech is wise beyond his young age.

[John Paul]

Right now we are restricted to four year institutions, but I'm certain we would consider a JC or CC membership if they were properly organized and committed.

That said, we are not here to accept anyone that applies. Our mission is not growth. As stated earlier, growth is a byproduct of what we do. Our mission is, and always has been, to provide "virtual varsity" lacrosse structure and resources (beginning with a national championship tournament and extending to eligibility, polls, officials, all-americans, etc.) to non-varsity college programs that can follow our rules and regulations. We build it, they come (if they're ready). At least that's the theory. If anything, we've been too inclusive over the past few years.

[lilaxstats]

Scottsdale CC has placed an add on the Arizona lacrosse board. Any one have any info on this such as what league will they be in, NJCAA? Whom will they play? Are there other West Coast CC teams who have lacrosse?

Gees, guys and did not think this would become a big ordeal. After viewing an add/post for a coach at Scottsdale CC, I became inquisitive about whom they would play etc. Only seemed logical that they would play teams such as ASU and UA among others in the MDIA.

I too, guilty of debating a virtual non-issue at this point, seems that the mere mention of expansion, from non-traditional MDIA teams, has ruffled quite a few feathers.

[Campbell]

Not getting into the MDIA or WCLL would not kill the program, in fact it would probably be too daunting for a new team to undertake when you consider league dues, ref fees, travel, etc. Managing those teams from the league's perspective if they have to cancel/forfeit games, reschedule, are late on dues/fees, etc. is all added work for people who already donate a lot of their time.

A new program, even in Arizona, shouldnt have a hard time finding people to play. They can play MDIA teams and post-collegiate clubs and probably join a post-collegiate league. When I played club ball in KC we had a few colleges on our schedule (in the GPLL) that would disappear every year due to joining the MDIA, which is good for them.

I would say the first step to getting a successful program started at a CC, or any college for that matter, is to NOT join the MDIA, but to get the players, committment, coaching, and money you need to have a good program. I wouldn't look at the "exclusiveness" of the MDIA as being anti-growth, nor would I say it is exclusive at all. My take on it is that the MDIA (its members and officers) has set criteria for what level of lacrosse they want the league to be and member teams or applicants need to meet those criteria or play somewhere else. There is no doubt in my mind that the MDIA is a very good thing for club lacrosse programs when you look at the state of college club lacrosse 15-20 years ago.