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USL Coaches Convention

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:18 am
by BigheadTodd
So registration opens next week....Who all is going? JRA has a free trip, so I know he will be there. Who is speaking? has anyone applied to speak? has anyone put up their coach for hitting a 100, 200 win mark for recognition at the luncheon? I think flip is elligible, but I do not know if anyone has put him in for consideration.
i think i will be going after taking last year off. For anyone who is going, I highly reccomend the independence Hall park tour, and some of the art museums. this year i think i will arrive early(thursday) and make the trek across the river to see the aquarium and the USS New Jersey, if anyone else is interested.
Link for Convention:
http://www.lacrosse.org/events/convention/index08.phtml

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:19 am
by BigheadTodd
I jumped the gun, Registration opens 9/14.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:13 am
by LaxTV_Admin
There is a good chance I will be attending. I would love to meet up with any other MCLA coaches, players, whatever who might be attending.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:33 am
by BigheadTodd
So it is opening this week. has anyone applied to be a speaker? In case you don't know, you can go to the website and request to be a speaker. I have a feeling there are a few people on the boards that could put on a better presentation than some I have seen(most notably a former whittier coach on faceoffs).

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:44 am
by LaxRef
BigheadTodd wrote:So it is opening this week. has anyone applied to be a speaker? In case you don't know, you can go to the website and request to be a speaker. I have a feeling there are a few people on the boards that could put on a better presentation than some I have seen(most notably a former whittier coach on faceoffs).


I'll be doing one or two presentations on the men's officials track, probably two. One is entitled "How to become a lacrosse rules expert," and the other is "Dead-ball officiating." The first is for a more general audience; I don't know how many non-officials would appreciate the second.

The first talk is a repeat of the talk I gave last year; we're trying to provide more content throughout the weekend, so we'll be starting Friday at 1:00 and ending Sunday at noon.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:30 am
by Rob Graff
Is there going to be an official talk on the mechanics of the new face off "jump" rule?

Rob

Jump rules

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:04 am
by Troy Hood
Coach Graff:

Can you explain what you mean by the "jump" rule as you know it?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:17 am
by LaxRef
Rob Graff wrote:Is there going to be an official talk on the mechanics of the new face off "jump" rule?


This will for sure be covered at the annual COC meeting, where we discuss new rules and mechanics as well as other issues affecting COC officials (e.g., annual awards).

My understanding at this point is that for a pre-whistle faceoff violation, the offender will need to sub out through the sub area and a substitute will then be allowed to enter the field. Play will start as soon as the non-offending faceoff guy has the ball in his stick and has his 5 yards, so the offended team will get a short man-up while the subbing takes place.

This rule is thought to be in response to the tactic of intentionally going early against a dominant faceoff man (so if you don't get caught you might win the faceoff, and if you do get caught you get to set up your defense instead of giving up a fast break when you lose the faceoff).

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:26 am
by Sonny
I bet the rule will be tested this fall in major college games. And the mechanics will be ironed out in time for our USL COC meetings in January, prior to the start of the NCAA/MCLA spring season.

Jump rule

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:49 am
by Troy Hood
An interesting idea, for sure.

LaxRef, thanks for the heads up.

Re: Jump rule

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:30 am
by LaxRef
Troy Hood wrote:An interesting idea, for sure.

LaxRef, thanks for the heads up.


The much bigger change, from a coaching standpoint, is the fact that the 10-second count will start now even if the ball is loose when it comes out of the box. This may allow coaches to create more turnovers by extending the defense in those situations, because now if you can keep them from picking up the ball for 10 seconds it's failure to advance.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:31 am
by Rob Graff
The key is going to be in how this is handled by the officials. Are the wing players going to be forced to stay behind the wing line? or can they be moving to get in the hole while the official makes the call - 1/2 seconds count in this procedure.

Face off x is roughly 30 yds from sub box. (field width varies). Say that's a 3.75 second sprint. But the distance from face off x to box is 20 yards (2.5 seconds). Player coming in will be running the hypotenuse of a triangle with a 20 yard base/30 yard side attached at a right angle. Assume that's about 35 yards (4.25 seconds).

So, you'll be man down for roughly 5.5 seconds, assuming that the offending middie doesn't leave early (i.e. before the offensive player can move). AND, you'll likely only be in a 5/4 or 6/5 situation for those 5 seconds. Wing D middes will get in to cover point attack at roughly same rate as offensive player will bring ball down - especially if the wing middie is smart and processes information rapidly.

Rob

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:16 pm
by LaxTchr
Rob Graff wrote:The key is going to be in how this is handled by the officials. Are the wing players going to be forced to stay behind the wing line? or can they be moving to get in the hole while the official makes the call - 1/2 seconds count in this procedure.

Face off x is roughly 30 yds from sub box. (field width varies). Say that's a 3.75 second sprint. But the distance from face off x to box is 20 yards (2.5 seconds). Player coming in will be running the hypotenuse of a triangle with a 20 yard base/30 yard side attached at a right angle. Assume that's about 35 yards (4.25 seconds).

So, you'll be man down for roughly 5.5 seconds, assuming that the offending middie doesn't leave early (i.e. before the offensive player can move). AND, you'll likely only be in a 5/4 or 6/5 situation for those 5 seconds. Wing D middes will get in to cover point attack at roughly same rate as offensive player will bring ball down - especially if the wing middie is smart and processes information rapidly.

Rob


Wow, There is a reason to use geometry in lacrosse! I really enjoyed reading that post! :P

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:15 pm
by Troy Hood
That's what a Harvard education does for you.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:42 pm
by Sonny
Troy Hood wrote:That's what a Harvard education does for you.


I'd hope I get a little more the basic geometry if I paid for a Harvard education. ;)