Redshirts?

[colaxg8]

I know that during the last off-season the MDIA made several changes to their eligibility policy, what exactly were the changes? Specifically are redshirts still allowed to play in the first three games? My guess is no, and no one on my team could come up with a definite answer, any help?

[John Paul]

Your conference director should have made the policy crystal clear to your coach. The rule has changed. Being on the active roster for any game, including the first three, counts as a year of eligibility.

[colaxg8]

Yea thas what we thought but we just wanted to make sure and this was the fastest way to do so. So, thanks for all your help, good luck this season.

[Joe Oakland]

scrimmages or games?

[Gregg Pathiakis]

Any game that is on the website. If it's a true scrimmage, you're fine.

[MinesGoallie45]

Does anyone know if that is going to be retroactive, or is it just applying this year?

[Bluevelvet]

Any game that is on the website. If it's a true scrimmage, you're fine.

This brings me back to this weird WCLL situation. Stanford lost to NDNU 18-3 last friday. NDNU has it on their website as a win. Alex Smith had it as one of his games of the week in "picks on point". Where did Alex get this "game"? Was it listed somewhere and later deleted? Stanford and the WCLL do not have the "game" on their schedule (NDNU is listed on the WCLL schedule for their games with Chico & UCSB).
Is this a "game"? Is this a loss for Stanford? Is this a scrimmage? If so, why are people prognosticating on it? If someone plays in this game/scrimmage, are they on the roster for a season? It is not on the WCLL website schedule but it was a game of the week on the "picks on point" forum of the MDIA website.
What was this thing anyway?

[onpoint]

It's on Laxpower. That was the source I used for all of that weeks games.

[Bluevelvet]

So what was it? Win for NDNU, loss for Stanford? Sounds like a scrimmage to me. Wonder why NDNU is so proud of their "win"? Any effect on eligibliity if the game is listed on Laxpower but not WCLL?

[Cameron pederson]

Minesgoalie,

There is no grandfather rule on this law. If you have every played 1 college game in a year you use a year of elgiblility regardless of what the rule was at the time.
I am not elgible this year because of this ruling. My first year I played two games and got hurt which would have qualified me for redshirt at the time under the 3 game umbrella. But with the new rules implemented this year, that year of elgibility has been taken away from me and I am not able to play this year. I hope my interpretation of the ruling is correct?

[onpoint]

If it was an injury, I believe you can petition your league, so you may look into that. This whole redshirt thing is still a little hazy for me.

[Cameron pederson]

My petition was heard and was rejected. I then submitted an appeal and that was also rejected. I was really dissapointed with the ruling because it took away what I thought would be my senior year. It was a lot like the oakland ruling but maybe even a bit more on the edge. I do not agree with the ruling but I do respect the USLIA as a whole and will enforce the elgibility rules more closley in the future with our team.

[cjwilhelmi]

Let me see if I got this right. Say Player X plays in three games in 2003 under the rule at that point in time saying that a redshirt can play in three games. This year Player X is entering his freshmen eligibility year and now the league is saying that because of a new rule this year his redshirt last year counts as a year of eligibility used?

My question is why does a new rule this year change what has happened in the past in terms of eligibility? I am sure you can now find seniors at CSU and UCSB along with other top programs who are no longer eligible because of this rule if we are interpreting it correct.

Can someone (Coach Carl or JP) tell us if we are interpreting this correctly?

[Cameron pederson]

It might make a difference that at the time our team was not part of the USLIA, but we were playing games to fill in for a team that dropped out of the UMLL.

[John Paul]

That's exactly it Cameron. The IA counts participation in any college lacrosse games for a team recognized by the school (as a club, student group, varsity team, etc.). For teams that are not in the IA, any game played has counted against eligibility for some time now.

Until this year, IA teams got a cushion for the first three games of the season. Players on IA teams who were redshirted under that old rule are grandfathered into the new rule which does not allow participation (or appearance on the new official roster on the uslmdia.com site) in any game without using a year of eligibility. So players who legally redshirted last year on an IA team do not lose a year because the rule changed this year.

Another clarification - although it doesn't apply to your case since your team was not in the IA at the time - the cushion was only for the first three games of the season. If a player only played in one game, but it was the team's fourth game of the year, he burned a year.

Hope that clears it up.