"Forfeits" vs. "No Contest"

An open forum for all MCLA fans! Be sure your topic is not already covered by one of the other forums or it will be moved.

"Forfeits" vs. "No Contest"

Postby Sonny on Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:19 pm

I continue to read many MDIA teams claiming forfeits when another team does not show for a scheduled game for whatever reason.

The situation came up recently on the NCAA Div. 1 level when Duke cancelled two games. The Duke/Georgetown game was cancelled approx. 1 hour prior to faceoff by the Duke University Adminstration when both teams were on site. It was later confirmed by the NCAA that this was to be considered a no contest rather then a forfeit.

The NCAA rulebook is very clear on this subject:

Page 32 of the 2006 NCAA Rule Book (Rule 3/Section 8) wrote:Forfeited Game vs. No Contest
Section 8. No forfeit is charged unless the referee or other appropriate contest official has assumed jurisdiction of the contest (see 2-7). When a team does not appear (e.g. due to weather, accidents, breakdown of vehicles, illiness, or catastrophic causes), a forfeit is not recorded. An institution shall not, for statistical purposes, declare a forfeit for non-fulfillment. of a contract. Such instances shall be considered a "no contest."

Neither the outcome nor the statistics in any completed contest are reversible by a forfeit due to postgame adminstration actions, except as provided in the NCAA manuals. The actual results of the game and the statistics shall be entered as such in both teams' all-time records, as well as in the coaches' records and in individual statistics. Games later forfeited shall be designated by an asterisk and a footnote.


It is frustrating for all involved (players, coaches, referees, parents, fans) when a MDIA game doesn't take place as originally scheduled. But 99.9% of the time when a game doesn't take place because one of the teams didn't show, it isn't considered a forfeit.
Webmaster
Image
Image
User avatar
Sonny
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 8183
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:18 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA


Postby mholtz on Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:39 pm

Sonny,
Thanks for pointing this out. I learn something new all the time.
Matt Holtz
Head Coach, University of Detroit-Mercy
CollegeLAX.us developer/admin.
User avatar
mholtz
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 717
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:12 am
Location: East Lansing, MI

Postby yourmom on Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:39 am

I understand that people get afraid of thier fields getting torn up, but it seems that less and less games get played in the mud. instead of a forfeit they just call and say "hey games cancelled, hope we can make it up later". This isn't baseball. Yeah games in the mud get ugly, but thats adversity.
Chris Glover
Lindenwood University Lacrosse Alumni
User avatar
yourmom
All-Conference
All-Conference
 
Posts: 491
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:42 pm
Location: St. Louis, MO

Postby Bluevelvet on Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:42 am

I noticed that FSU has claimed a 1-0 forfeit victory on USL MDIA this weekend. Is that a forfeit or no contest?
User avatar
Bluevelvet
Premium
Premium
 
Posts: 653
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:26 am

Postby LaxRef on Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:07 am

yourmom wrote:I understand that people get afraid of thier fields getting torn up, but it seems that less and less games get played in the mud. instead of a forfeit they just call and say "hey games cancelled, hope we can make it up later". This isn't baseball. Yeah games in the mud get ugly, but thats adversity.


If you play games in the mud and tear up the fields, you won't be able to get field space anymore. Do you have any idea how much time and expense goes into repairing a field that has been torn up? And how many other teams won't get to use the field while it's being reworked?

This is the great thing about FieldTurf fields. Yeah, they're expensive to put in, but then you can use the field for literally hundreds of games during the year (lacrosse, soccer, football, Ultimate frisbee, rugby, whatver), as opposed to high-quality grass fields which might be limited to 20 to 30 games per year.
-LaxRef
User avatar
LaxRef
All-America
All-America
 
Posts: 1381
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 7:18 am

Postby KnoxVegas on Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:08 am

Thanks, Sonny.

In the GRLC, we had two teams "fold" this season: Monmouth and Truman State. Monmouth never played a game and was removed from each of their opponents schedules before the season started. Truman State withdrew just before their first game, too late to withdraw them from our schedules. Three teams in the GRLC have awarded themselves forfeits for their "missed" games versus Truman State.

I had done this for Augustana but upon seeing your post, if have changed the official result from a 1-0 forfeit to a 0-0 "no contest". I would encourage the other GRLC schools to do the same. It is the only true way to accurately reflect our records.
Dagger!
KnoxVegas
All-America
All-America
 
Posts: 1762
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:03 am

Postby LaxRef on Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:58 am

KnoxVegas wrote:Thanks, Sonny.

In the GRLC, we had two teams "fold" this season: Monmouth and Truman State. Monmouth never played a game and was removed from each of their opponents schedules before the season started. Truman State withdrew just before their first game, too late to withdraw them from our schedules. Three teams in the GRLC have awarded themselves forfeits for their "missed" games versus Truman State.

I had done this for Augustana but upon seeing your post, if have changed the official result from a 1-0 forfeit to a 0-0 "no contest". I would encourage the other GRLC schools to do the same. It is the only true way to accurately reflect our records.


I agree. It really isn't fair for the teams that scheduled Truman to get a "free" win in their record just because the team folded.
-LaxRef
User avatar
LaxRef
All-America
All-America
 
Posts: 1381
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 7:18 am

Postby Campbell on Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:30 pm

something that needs to be considered is the conference rules and how the conference defines it. If a team plays one or two games one of which being conference and then cancels the rest of their season, you end up with skewed results come playoff time. I agree with the rulebook though and applied to out of conference games is fine. Duke will have to contend with the ACC if their season gets back underway.
User avatar
Campbell
All-Conference
All-Conference
 
Posts: 402
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:57 pm
Location: Austin, TX


Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests