NEW Stick Check Procedures!

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NEW Stick Check Procedures!

Postby laxfan25 on Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:24 am

The biggest news out of the clinician's training class last night - there has been a major change in the number of stick checks that will be done in a game. The coaches have gotten fed up with the amount of illegal sticks finding their way into the game, and have taken serious steps to address it -
* There will now be a MINIMUM of six checks per team, per game. There is still the possibility of the coach's request for equipment check, but there will be the 6 stick-only checks as well.
* The checks between the 1st and 3rd periods are gone, because they can be anticipated. The intent is to make these totally random, so you may see them called after a goal, before a faceoff, after a timeout call, during injury time, etc.
* Most of the checks will be done in the 1st thru 3rd quarters. The coaches do not want this random check occuring in the final two minutes, although the coach could do his requested one then.
* When called, a stick from each team will be taken
* If done after a goal, the goal scorer's stick and a long pole will be obtained. If the goal scorer's stick is illegal, the goal is taken off the board and the penalty is assessed.
* If done before a faceoff, both faceoff guys will be called.
* The checks after goals will be balanced between teams - say two on Team A after goals and two on Team B. (Assuming Team B scores! :lol: )
* The '07 Rule Book also put back in this year the requirement that head width be measured on the front and BACK of the stick - 6.5" for each. This had been in the rule book several years ago - was taken out - and put back in specifically this year. We will find out if this will be part of the stick check procedure during the meetings. An interesting point - the stick measurements designed for '09 say 6.5" on the front and 6" on the back. It would be nice if they would adopt that for the current season, but as of now, the rule book says 6.5" front and back.

We were the first group to hear about this at the Convention. Needless to say, it created a LOT of discussion and buzz. When it is announced at the NCAA Rules Clinic on Saturday to the whole group, it will be interesting - Should sound like the British House of Commons!

You've been alerted. This will be happening this season.
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Postby Sonny on Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:46 am

Interesting (and keep us posted as to what is happening in Philly). Thanks for the report laxfan25.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:06 pm

Thank you very much! That's big news... I've never seen a d-pole checked before, but please, check them all! I have a tough time with the face off guys coming out & getting checked, but if this is in an effort to make good checks knock the ball loose I'm all for it.

In a high scoring game, FOGO's will have to be very careful. Should be interesting, hopefully kids won't walk the line as closely.
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Postby laxfan25 on Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:52 pm

A few other updates:

* We will just be measuring the front of sticks, not the back as well

* In Section 7.8 (pg. 90) Slow Whistle Technique - DELETE the following;
j. The ball is loose in the attack area and the defensive team commits a
personal foul.


* For the coach's halftime discussion, which was indicated as occuring at the 4 min. mark remaining - it can take palce anytime before the 3rd quarter, if the coach is not on the field or still talking to his team. The opposing coach is invited to join, but is not required. He can choose to send a representative, but that person can only listen, not speak, since he is not the head coach.
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Postby Sonny on Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:24 am

Anything else to report from Philadelphia laxfan25?
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Postby laxfan25 on Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:44 am

The new stick check procedure was far and away the biggest news on the stripes side.

Point of emphasis this year on back checks that only get body and not stick - and crosschecks up by the head.

Changes on faceoff mechanics- the ref will find a comfortable position, could be the standard "over the middle", but we are free to move to either side or on the midline. Once you get in position - don't move! Call the players down and whistle consistently. No more arm in the air and chop - just keep your arm at your side and whistle.

New timeout area is the offensive area beyond the restraining line - no need to be "in the box" - alleys count as well.

They also said there may be some tweaks to the new stick dimensions scheduled for '09.

Other than that - attended some of the officials' breakout sessions. Some were very entertaining, although the content was nothing earth-shattering. Thursday night and Friday morning were Clinician's training updates - and the group gave some good suggestions for the new mechanics that were incorporated into the Saturday Rules Clinic. There was a good session on Sunday on Training the Trainer - trying to figure out how to get more ref prospects and get them trained. The requirements vary widely across the country; some areas have as little as 6 hours, others have almost 20, with a good share on on-field work. this continues to be an issue with the growth of lacrosse across the country.

Talked with Jim Franklin out of the Seattle area - they have a 12 hour drive (one-way!) to get to Montana! The East/Northeast contingent said they would quit complaining about their two hour drives!

At the vendor village, Alfie Jacques, a native American from upstate New York was demonstrating stick-making in the traditional method. He is featured in the US Lacrosse museum. My prize was acquiring an Ojibway-style stick - with a small hoop at the end - very cool. He autographed it, and I also got Paul and Gary Gait to sign it as well.
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Postby LaxRef on Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:36 pm

Kyle Berggren wrote:Thank you very much! That's big news... I've never seen a d-pole checked before, but please, check them all! I have a tough time with the face off guys coming out & getting checked, but if this is in an effort to make good checks knock the ball loose I'm all for it.

In a high scoring game, FOGO's will have to be very careful. Should be interesting, hopefully kids won't walk the line as closely.


Last year we were instructed to check one longpole per team per game. Well over half the ones I checked were illegal.
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Postby TexOle on Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:32 pm

I remember one long pole that was using an Edge. The ball fit perfectly in the gaps of the sidewalls.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:27 pm

laxfan25 wrote:Point of emphasis this year on back checks that only get body and not stick - and crosschecks up by the head.


Hasn't back-checking a point of emphasis a few times over the past few years?

Talked with Jim Franklin out of the Seattle area - they have a 12 hour drive (one-way!) to get to Montana! The East/Northeast contingent said they would quit complaining about their two hour drives!


Jim's stretching the truth a bit, it's closer to 9 hours one way but we need some officials out there asap![/quote]
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Postby laxfan25 on Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:39 pm

Kyle Berggren wrote:
laxfan25 wrote:Point of emphasis this year on back checks that only get body and not stick - and crosschecks up by the head.


Hasn't back-checking a point of emphasis a few times over the past few years?

Yes, but I guess they're not happy with the enforcement of it.

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Talked with Jim Franklin out of the Seattle area - they have a 12 hour drive (one-way!) to get to Montana! The East/Northeast contingent said they would quit complaining about their two hour drives!


Jim's stretching the truth a bit, it's closer to 9 hours one way but we need some officials out there asap!
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I mentioned this to him - the need to get refs up there. He pointed out that it takes a few years to get someone up to COC level, and once you do - you'd better like him, because you're going to see the same guy over and over!
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Postby LaxRef on Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:54 pm

It's also very hard to develop officials in areas where there's no high school lacrosse.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:01 pm

...and it's tough to have sustainable HS lacrosse without youth lacrosse....
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Postby Andy Sharp on Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:55 am

LaxRef wrote:Last year we were instructed to check one longpole per team per game. Well over half the ones I checked were illegal.

Just got my Dave Adams photo CD, this one caught my eye, thought of you.
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Postby laxfan25 on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:17 am

Andy Sharp wrote:
LaxRef wrote:Last year we were instructed to check one longpole per team per game. Well over half the ones I checked were illegal.

Just got my Dave Adams photo CD, this one caught my eye, thought of you.
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It could just be centripital force that is causing the pocket to look excessive - but he would be a good candidate to check out! I'm sure all of the Maroon and Gold will be up to snuff this season! :wink:
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Postby Rob Graff on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:22 am

TO confirm one point on this discussion - the scoop width dimension that will be measured is 6.5 inches at it's widest point and will be measured ONLY from the front. There will be no measurement of the back of the scoop - correct? Thanks for the confirmation in advance.
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