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When a goalkeep recieves a penalty like a 30 second or 1 minute penalty, does the goaltender serve it or does the in home serve it. Does it make a difference whether or not the team has another goalie or not?

brick15 wrote:When a goalkeep recieves a penalty like a 30 second or 1 minute penalty, does the goaltender serve it or does the in home serve it. Does it make a difference whether or not the team has another goalie or not?

In my own words:

NCAA Rule 6 wrote:A.R. 32: Goalkeeper B1 commits a personal or technical foul. Can the in-home serve the penalty? RULING: No. B1 must serve the penalty, and a legally-equipped substitute goalkeeper must report into the game. If Team B has only one set of goalie equipment, B1 will be given a reasonable amount of time to switch his equipment to another player; in this situation, if Team B wants to get their original goalkeeper back into the game, they must do so during a timeout or between periods.

A.R. 33: Goalkeeper B1 must leave the game due to an injury or expulsion. Team B refuses to send in another player to play that position. RULING: Team B must put a legally-equipped goalkeeper on the field or they forfeit the game.

LaxRef wrote:
In my own words:

NCAA Rule 6 wrote:A.R. 32: Goalkeeper B1 commits a personal or technical foul. Can the in-home serve the penalty? RULING: No. B1 must serve the penalty, and a legally-equipped substitute goalkeeper must report into the game. If Team B has only one set of goalie equipment, B1 will be given a reasonable amount of time to switch his equipment to another player; in this situation, if Team B wants to get their original goalkeeper back into the game, they must do so during a timeout or between periods.

A.R. 33: Goalkeeper B1 must leave the game due to an injury or expulsion. Team B refuses to send in another player to play that position. RULING: Team B must put a legally-equipped goalkeeper on the field or they forfeit the game.

Your proud of that aren't you?

In a lower level game I might let someone serve the goalie's penalty. This would be JV or lower and have to be running time. I might also make an exception in some other extreme cases. In regular league play for High School Varsity or MDIA I wouldn't ask if the IH can serve the penalty. Goalies should be smart enough not to get penalties, but that is coming from a former goalie that got his fair share of penalties.

I did have a coach ask what the in home does, and my response of "He serves the penalty you will receive if you continue to argue," did not go over so well.

Oh, and LaxRef is extremely proud. He loves being a rules geek, but that is why it is fun to work with him.

TexOle wrote:In a lower level game I might let someone serve the goalie's penalty.

You making things up as you go along TexOle? Unless there is some unique, local, rules modification -- The only time a goalie doesn't have to serve his penalty is under post-collegiate club rules. Under normal NCAA or Federation rules, the goalie serves. End of story. When individual refs go out on their own and do things like this, it makes it difficult for the rest of us because when I make the goalie serve his penalty in the following game - the coach will be confused and most likely won't be too happy.

TexOle wrote:In a lower level game I might let someone serve the goalie's penalty. This would be JV or lower and have to be running time. I might also make an exception in some other extreme cases. In regular league play for High School Varsity or MDIA I wouldn't ask if the IH can serve the penalty. Goalies should be smart enough not to get penalties, but that is coming from a former goalie that got his fair share of penalties.

This just creates confusion unless there is a local JV rule covering the situation. And even if there were a local rule, I'd explain to the coach and the GK every time: "In a Varsity game, you'd have to serve the penalty."

While in general I oppose such rule variations, it potentially makes sense if you have JV games that don't really count for anything (no "JV championship" at stake) and if the games are running time on a tight schedule, where forcing a team to switch goalie gear to a backup might cost both teams 2-3 minutes of actual play. But other than that, let the goalie learn what an idiot he was.

TexOle wrote:I did have a coach ask what the in home does, and my response of "He serves the penalty you will receive if you continue to argue," did not go over so well.

"Coach, the in-home serves penalties that are not against a specific player and bench penalties."

TexOle wrote:Oh, and LaxRef is extremely proud. He loves being a rules geek, but that is why it is fun to work with him.

Guilty as charged.

I always try to make the goalie serve his penalty. If I do decide to let someone else serve it then you can believe that both coaches will know why I am allowing this situation. Again these are running time games at lower levels where I just want to let everyone play. I called a few penalties on goalies in youth level games at one of our domes this winter, and I did allow another player to serve it so we could give the kids a full game. One of the things I learned at lower levels games is a little bit of instruction does more good then a penalty at times. Again these are areas that are new to the game with younger players. If you spend half the game calling penalties then they only play a half a game. Here is a great example of why you might want to let someone else serve the goalie penalty. You are in a dome on a field where the game has to end on the hour. With 3 minutes to go in the game the goalie gets a penalty. The coach switches his goalie and decides to warm up his new goalie. This process ends up killing the clock. You cannot call a delay of game if the warm up time is under 1 minute. You can try to stop the clock, but the next group has the field immediately following the time your game should end. What is your call? In Minnesota coaches want to use hockey rules for lacrosse, and that is where a lot of confusion comes from with rules. I love hearing, "In hockey this is the rule."

One of my biggest problems with the rule books is the lack of human in them. I am not trying to become bigger than any rule or governing body, but I do want to give the players a chance to learn the game by playing it safely and to its maximum extent.

Also a lot of the lower level games in Minnesota during the winter play with severely modified rules. Some of the time it is making up the rules as you go, and this comes from league directors.

I don't like altering rules, but sometimes it has to be done for the good of the game.

I understand what you are saying, but many of these issues are better dealt at the league (admin) level.

TexOle wrote:You are in a dome on a field where the game has to end on the hour. With 3 minutes to go in the game the goalie gets a penalty. The coach switches his goalie and decides to warm up his new goalie. This process ends up killing the clock. You cannot call a delay of game if the warm up time is under 1 minute.

Under NFHS rules, they are allowed 1:00 to warm up a goalie. However, if they need to use that time to switch over goalie gear to another player, I'm not giving them the warmup time, too.