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I'm glad to say that I ruled correctly on this, but I wasn't 100% sure on the field:

A1 takes a shot, and GK B1 stops the shot but drops his stick in the process. While he bends over to pick up the stick, A1 fires the rebound past him. Official 1 rules goal. Official 2 waves off goal because the keeper dropped his stick and says that play should have been stopped before the goal.

(NCAA Rules, but no peeking at the rulebook!)

No goal! Immediate whistle upon the goal keeper losing his stick.

Lax_Stats wrote:No goal! Immediate whistle upon the goal keeper losing his stick.

Incorrect. The NCAA Ruling: Goal is good. See:

[quote=NCAA 4-19-e]e. During the course of play if a goalkeeper's stick becomes broken or any other required equipment becomes broken or dislodged, play shall be suspended immediately.[/quote]

No mention of dropped stick here, so play continues and the goal is good. This is similar to NFHS Rule 4-27-5, except that rule does not mention anything about protective gear being lost, just broken. Still, I'd kill the play for safety reasons if the goalie lost safety gear in HS, though.

It seems like if when the goalkeeper drops his stick play gets stopped it could open up a can of worms, where a goalie could "lose" his stick at anytime to try and get a goal waved off.

MarkAnderson wrote:It seems like if when the goalkeeper drops his stick play gets stopped it could open up a can of worms, where a goalie could "lose" his stick at anytime to try and get a goal waved off.

That's exactly why I thought I was right when I made the call. Of course, the new rules allow a goalie to throw down a glove to get play stopped, but that's harder to pull off, and I thought it was intentional I'd give the goalie a USC.

LaxRef wrote: Of course, the new rules allow a goalie to throw down a glove to get play stopped, but that's harder to pull off, and I thought it was intentional I'd give the goalie a USC.

You guys read way too much into the rules....

A goalie throwing down a glove or even losing a glove unintentionally doesn't equate to

NCAA 4-19-e wrote:e. During the course of play if a goalkeeper's stick becomes broken or any other required equipment becomes broken or dislodged, play shall be suspended immediately.

Sonny wrote:

LaxRef wrote: Of course, the new rules allow a goalie to throw down a glove to get play stopped, but that's harder to pull off, and I thought it was intentional I'd give the goalie a USC.

You guys read way too much into the rules....

A goalie throwing down a glove or even losing a glove unintentionally doesn't equate to

NCAA 4-19-e wrote:e. During the course of play if a goalkeeper's stick becomes broken or any other required equipment becomes broken or dislodged, play shall be suspended immediately.

I don't see your point. The glove is required equipment, and it's become dislodged. For safety reasons, they want play stopped if the GK loses any required equipment.

What are you arguing? That the glove isn't required equipment, or that a glove that falls off hasn't become dislodged?

What does it say when a player looses a glove or a cleat or something like that.

Or what if a helmet gets knocked off?

Brendan Barry wrote:What does it say when a player looses a glove or a cleat or something like that.

Or what if a helmet gets knocked off?

GK and field players are treated differently. GK loses required equipment other than the crosse, play is stopped immediately (although there are some A.R.s that conflict with this rule if the GK is out of the crease). Field player loses equipment, he can't participate, and if he does it's IP. If you have possession and lose required equipment or you are told to buckle your chinstrap, you need to get rid of the ball immediately. Otherwise, you need to stay out of the play until properly equipped.

LaxRef wrote:

Lax_Stats wrote:No goal! Immediate whistle upon the goal keeper losing his stick.

Incorrect. The NCAA Ruling: Goal is good. See:

[quote=NCAA 4-19-e]e. During the course of play if a goalkeeper's stick becomes broken or any other required equipment becomes broken or dislodged, play shall be suspended immediately.

No mention of dropped stick here, so play continues and the goal is good. This is similar to NFHS Rule 4-27-5, except that rule does not mention anything about protective gear being lost, just broken. Still, I'd kill the play for safety reasons if the goalie lost safety gear in HS, though.[/quote]

Please show me in the rule book where it says play continues?

Lax_Stats wrote:Please show me in the rule book where it says play continues?

It doesn't work that way. You have to show me where it says to stop play. If we did it your way, I could say, "Play stops whenever the the goalkeeper catches the ball; please show me where in the rulebook it says play continues." And, of course, that's ridiculous.

We have a rule that gives us some condtions on when to stop play. It specifically does not address a dropped GK crosse, so we don't stop play then unless you can find another rule that says we're supposed to.

LaxRef wrote:

Lax_Stats wrote:Please show me in the rule book where it says play continues?

It doesn't work that way. You have to show me where it says to stop play. If we did it your way, I could say, "Play stops whenever the the goalkeeper catches the ball; please show me where in the rulebook it says play continues." And, of course, that's ridiculous.

We have a rule that gives us some condtions on when to stop play. It specifically does not address a dropped GK crosse, so we don't stop play then unless you can find another rule that says we're supposed to.

I believe the issue here isnt whose right or wrong but that the rulle is very poorly written. The way it is written makes an indication that the goalie stick is a piece of "required" equipment. I tend to agree with you LaxRef, but I think they need to clean up the way it is written to avoid any confusion.

Lax_Stats wrote:

LaxRef wrote:

Lax_Stats wrote:Please show me in the rule book where it says play continues?

It doesn't work that way. You have to show me where it says to stop play. If we did it your way, I could say, "Play stops whenever the the goalkeeper catches the ball; please show me where in the rulebook it says play continues." And, of course, that's ridiculous.

We have a rule that gives us some condtions on when to stop play. It specifically does not address a dropped GK crosse, so we don't stop play then unless you can find another rule that says we're supposed to.

I believe the issue here isnt whose right or wrong but that the rulle is very poorly written. The way it is written makes an indication that the goalie stick is a piece of "required" equipment. I tend to agree with you LaxRef, but I think they need to clean up the way it is written to avoid any confusion.

This is one case where I don't think the wording is that bad. They make it clear that they're talking about two things: (1) GK crosse broken, stop play. (2) Any other required equipment (read: any other piece of required equipment, but not the GK crosse, which we covered in case one) broken or dislodged, stop play.

This would be a lot clearer with the deletion of the word "other".

Lax_Stats wrote:This would be a lot clearer with the deletion of the word "other".

No, because then you could argue that a dropped stick is "required equipment" that has become "dislodged."