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In a game last year, I did not award a goal in the following situation:

A1 takes a shot. The ball hit the post, then his the net, then landed on the field of play outside the crease. I signalled no goal and allowed play to continue. There were no fouls of any kind on the play.

Why did I do this?

(This is either quite simple or quite tricky, depending on how much you know and how good you are at applying it.)

The ball hit the post and bounced up, hit the BACK of the net, and rolled out of the crease down the back slope?

You said it could be really simple... I figured that's simple.

WaterBoy wrote:The ball hit the post and bounced up, hit the BACK of the net, and rolled out of the crease down the back slope?

You said it could be really simple... I figured that's simple.

That is possible, but I've never seen it. Anyway, in the case at hand the players were screaming for me to award a goal, so this wasn't it. Good try, though!

The ball can hit the net without completely crossing the goal line - no goal.

Unless the lead ref (in most cases) sees the ball completely across the goal line, no goal is scored.

Jolly Roger wrote:The ball can hit the net without completely crossing the goal line - no goal.

Correct. Any idea how this happened?

LaxRef wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:The ball can hit the net without completely crossing the goal line - no goal.

Correct. Any idea how this happened?

The ball is in the goalie's stick?

Sonny wrote:

LaxRef wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:The ball can hit the net without completely crossing the goal line - no goal.

Correct. Any idea how this happened?

The ball is in the goalie's stick?

Nope, it was the goal net, not the mesh of the goalie stick.

Was the goal itself moved forward, i.e. tipped forward by a defenseman bumping it on his way forward through the crease?

By the way, I really like these... they're fun and teach us about the game... keep it up it's a nice touch.

WaterBoy wrote:Was the goal itself moved forward, i.e. tipped forward by a defenseman bumping it on his way forward through the crease?

By the way, I really like these... they're fun and teach us about the game... keep it up it's a nice touch.

I'm glad you like them. No, the goal wasn't moved (if it was, I would have had to have stopped play).

LaxRef wrote: Correct. Any idea how this happened?

Rainy day, 4mm net gets heavy and sags enough that bounce shot, slowed significantly by the saturated ground, does not have enough momentum and is basically 'rejected' by the net prior to crossing the goal line.

Goal pipes are 1.5" and the goal line is 2", ball is about 2.5', so you'd actually have to have the nets 3" behind the goal line to comply with
Rule 1 section 5: Nets shall be adjusted so the ball may pass completely through the imaginary plane of the goal at any location inside the border of the goal posts.

Quiz: Do you call the home team for the technical or the unreleasable foul?

Jolly Roger wrote:The ball can hit the net without completely crossing the goal line - no goal.

Unless the lead ref (in most cases) sees the ball completely across the goal line, no goal is scored.

... it doesn't have to completely cross the goal line to be a goal

from the 2006 ncaa lax rule book:

SCORING
Goal Scored
Section 8. A goal is scored when a loose ball passes from the front, completely through the imaginary plane formed by the rear edges of the goal line, the goal posts and the crossbar of the goal, regardless of who supplied the impetus.

Jolly Roger wrote:

LaxRef wrote: Correct. Any idea how this happened?

Rainy day, 4mm net gets heavy and sags enough that bounce shot, slowed significantly by the saturated ground, does not have enough momentum and is basically 'rejected' by the net prior to crossing the goal line.

Goal pipes are 1.5" and the goal line is 2", ball is about 2.5', so you'd actually have to have the nets 3" behind the goal line to comply with
Rule 1 section 5: Nets shall be adjusted so the ball may pass completely through the imaginary plane of the goal at any location inside the border of the goal posts.

Quiz: Do you call the home team for the technical or the unreleasable foul?

Once the game begins, the home team cannot be penalized for an illegal field or illegal goals.

I actually interpret the rule you quoted to mean that the ball can pass through the mouth of the goal, not that it can pass through before it touches the net. Thus, if a shot can push the net back enough to break the plane, let's play. But if it's too tight in the corners for a ball to ever break the plane, then it's technically not legal.

(In reality, I usually explain the problem to the coach and tell him he can fix it, we can penalize 3:00 NR, or we can award the goal to the opponents whenever the ball hits that part of the net and gets rejected beacuse it's too tight--but his team would not get the same consideration. Usually they choose the last option.)

Anyway, here's what happened: the net was kind of loose, and it was windy. The wind blew a flap of net beyond the mouth of the goal, so the shot, coming from left to right, hit the post, then the net, then continued outside the crease. The players were yelling for a goal because the ball hit the net, but I'd noticed the net sticking out of the goal when I checked the field before the game and was ready to make the right call.

I actually interpret the rule you quoted to mean that the ball can pass through the mouth of the goal, not that it can pass through before it touches the net. Thus, if a shot can push the net back enough to break the plane, let's play. But if it's too tight in the corners for a ball to ever break the plane, then it's technically not legal.

If I see a net that is too tight in the corners, I give the coach a little heads up before the game. Too many times when I played are goals scored in those upper-corners and a tight net might make one of those amazing shots look like it hit the pipe and bounce out.

Jolly Roger wrote:Goal pipes are 1.5" and the goal line is 2", ball is about 2.5', so you'd actually have to have the nets 3" ...

Aren't goal pipes 1.9" ?