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Rank..Team....................Results..............................Record..Top 25 W/L

1........BYU......................W #13 Utah 21-11...............14-2..........10/1


2........Colorado State......W #6 Colorado 13-5.............12-2..........8/2


3........Oregon.................Idle....................................15-2..........5/2


4........Arizona State........L #10 UCSB 7-12 ................10-4..........5/4
.............................................WCLL QF


5........Michigan...............W #20 Michigan State 14-6...10-3..........3/3


6........Colorado...............L # Colorado State 5-13........13-4..........6/3


7........Sonoma State.......W #15 Cal Poly 11-5..............10-3..........4/3
.............................................WCLL QF


8........Minnesota-Duluth...W St. Olaf 18-1......................9-3..........2/3
......................................W St. Cloud 22-2


9........Northeastern.........W WPI 19-5..........................13-1..........1/1
.....................................W New Hampshire 14-0
......................................W UCONN 15-3


10........UC Santa Barbara..W #4 Arizona State 12-7.....12-4..........5/3
.............................................WCLL QF


11........Florida State........L #23 Georgia Tech 16-10.....14-6..........4/3
.............................................SELC QF


12........Arizona...............W #24 Claremont 16-7..........13-4..........8/4
.............................................WCLL QF


13........Utah....................L #1 BYU 11-21....................6-8...........2/6


14........Lindenwood.........W Illinois State 12-0...............8-5..........1/5


15........Cal Poly SLO........L #7 Sonoma State 5-11........10-6.........2/4
.............................................WCLL QF


16........Texas A&M..........Idle......................................10-2..........1/2


17........Georgia..............W #23 Georgia Tech 10-6........11-2..........4/2
.............................................SELC SF

.....................................W #18 Florida 13-12
.............................................SELC F - CHAMPS

18........Florida.................W South Carolina 11-6...........11-3..........4/3
.............................................SELC QF

......................................W #19 Virginia Tech 9-8
.............................................SELC SF

......................................L #17 Georgia 12-13
.............................................SELC F


19........Virginia Tech........L #18 Florida 8-9...................10-4..........2/4
.............................................SELC SF


20........Michigan State.....W Central Michigan 7-6.............9-2..........0/3
......................................L #5 Michigan 6-14


21........Boston College.....W Coast Guard 14-1...............10-1..........1/1
......................................NO GAME - WPI


22........Simon Fraiser.......Idle........................................8-1..........0/1


23........Georgia Tech.......W #11 Florida State 16-10.........8-6..........2/5
.............................................SELC QF

......................................L #17 Georgia 6-10
.............................................SELC SF


24........Claremont............L #12 Arizona 7-16..................11-4..........1/3
.............................................WCLL QF


25........Illinois.................W Kansas State 19-4.................10-7.........0/7

If there are any mistakes, please post them or email me and I'll make the changes.

Edit: Minnesota-Duluth overall record is 9-3

Sorry about that, didn't mean to cheat you guys out of one.

pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Danny Hogan wrote:pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Yes, Utah did beat Illinois. However Illinois was not ranked at the time of the game, thus they are 2-6 by my Top 25 W/L. I've mentioned it in earlier posts that Top 25 W/L are frozen at the time of the game.

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

Danny Hogan wrote:pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Yes, Utah did beat Illinois. However Illinois was not ranked at the time of the game, thus they are 2-6 by my Top 25 W/L. I've mentioned it in earlier posts that Top 25 W/L are frozen at the time of the game.

It would make more sense to do the W/L against top 25 dynamicly given that the most recent poll, in theory, is supposed to be the most accurate.

JJLAX wrote:

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

Danny Hogan wrote:pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Yes, Utah did beat Illinois. However Illinois was not ranked at the time of the game, thus they are 2-6 by my Top 25 W/L. I've mentioned it in earlier posts that Top 25 W/L are frozen at the time of the game.

It would make more sense to do the W/L against top 25 dynamicly given that the most recent poll, in theory, is supposed to be the most accurate.

Earlier in the year I did a poll whether the rankings should be adjusted per poll or frozen at the time of the game, and a majority said frozen.

Thought I would throw in strength of schedule from laxpower for people to look at. I know a lot of you don't agree with it, but it has some relevance to voting. Bold are top 25 teams

No Team Games Ave Opp PR W L T

1 Brigham Young 16 78.71 14- 2- 0
2 Colorado State 14 78.44 12- 2- 0
3 Chapman 15 77.73 8- 7- 0
4 UC San Diego 13 76.93 4- 9- 0
5 Colorado 16 76.90 12- 4- 0
6 Arizona 17 76.41 13- 4- 0
7 Arizona State 15 76.33 10- 4- 0
8 UC Santa Barbara 16 76.17 12- 4- 0
9 San Diego 12 75.91 3- 9- 0
10 Utah 15 75.50 6- 8- 0
11 Oregon 17 75.31 15- 2- 0
12 Sonoma State 13 75.24 10- 3- 0
13 Michigan 13 75.20 10- 3- 0
14 Boise State 10 74.36 3- 7- 0
15 San Diego State 13 74.21 4- 9- 0
16 Cal Poly - SLO 16 73.56 10- 6- 0
17 Oregon State 12 73.55 5- 7- 0
18 Loyola Marymount 14 73.55 8- 6- 0
19 Chico State 14 73.32 6- 7- 0
20 Georgia Tech 14 73.21 8- 5- 0
21 California 19 72.75 9-10- 0
22 Stanford 12 72.39 5- 6- 0
23 Washington 10 72.20 5- 5- 0
24 Santa Clara 14 72.11 7- 7- 0
25 Florida 15 72.04 10- 3- 0

Other top 25 teams:
27 Virginia Tech 14 71.78 10- 3- 0
28 Michigan State 13 71.48 9- 3- 0
29 Lindenwood 15 71.30 9- 5- 0
30 Illinois 17 71.18 10- 7- 0
31 Florida State 19 71.10 14- 5- 0
36 Georgia 13 70.56 10- 2- 0
38 Texas A&M 15 70.20 11- 2- 0
41 Claremont 15 70.10 11- 4- 0
42 Minnesota - Duluth 12 70.10 9- 3- 0
46 Simon Fraser 9 69.88 8- 1- 0
50 Boston College 15 69.45 11- 1- 0
66 Northeastern 16 68.09 14- 1- 0

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

JJLAX wrote:

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

Danny Hogan wrote:pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Yes, Utah did beat Illinois. However Illinois was not ranked at the time of the game, thus they are 2-6 by my Top 25 W/L. I've mentioned it in earlier posts that Top 25 W/L are frozen at the time of the game.

It would make more sense to do the W/L against top 25 dynamicly given that the most recent poll, in theory, is supposed to be the most accurate.

Earlier in the year I did a poll whether the rankings should be adjusted per poll or frozen at the time of the game, and a majority said frozen.

With all due respect, I'm not sure how that makes any sense. What if team A was ranked #1 in the first week of the season and then team B beat them in the first week and team A went on to lose the rest of their games. Why would it make sense to give team B credit for beating a #1 team when the results of the season clearly show the caliber of team that team A really was?

Laxpower is a nice tool to reference when making your decision for the poll but if your conference isn't good, your strength of schedule won't be very strong....You can only play so many OCC games to make up a difference that the WCLL and RMLC have in conference....i.e having a strong schedule because your conference is competive

JJLAX wrote:

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

JJLAX wrote:

Zamboni_Driver wrote:

Danny Hogan wrote:pretty sure Utah beat Illinois, UCSB, UMd making them 3-6 rather than 2-6

Yes, Utah did beat Illinois. However Illinois was not ranked at the time of the game, thus they are 2-6 by my Top 25 W/L. I've mentioned it in earlier posts that Top 25 W/L are frozen at the time of the game.

It would make more sense to do the W/L against top 25 dynamicly given that the most recent poll, in theory, is supposed to be the most accurate.

Earlier in the year I did a poll whether the rankings should be adjusted per poll or frozen at the time of the game, and a majority said frozen.

With all due respect, I'm not sure how that makes any sense. What if team A was ranked #1 in the first week of the season and then team B beat them in the first week and team A went on to lose the rest of their games. Why would it make sense to give team B credit for beating a #1 team when the results of the season clearly show the caliber of team that team A really was?

playing devil's advocate, if team B beat team A when they were #1 and team A faded to #3 (only loss being to team B), then the only reason team A is not #1 is because team B put them at #3. Should B get credit for beating #1?

anklebreaker wrote:Laxpower is a nice tool to reference when making your decision for the poll but if your conference isn't good, your strength of schedule won't be very strong....You can only play so many OCC games to make up a difference that the WCLL and RMLC have in conference....i.e having a strong schedule because your conference is competive

If your conference isn't strong, you better beat some tough OCC competition or your record won't look that strong. And I do believe that UMD should make nationals regardless of their SOS or UMLL chamionship performance.

laxpower also includes NCAA games which can skew SOS in either direction because there is no level comparison of MCLA/NCAA teams

Another thing for pollsters to take into consideration is teams that are ranked and will still be playing games after the 4/25 poll comes out. Did I miss anyone?

CCLA: Michigan, Michigan St.
GRLC: Lindenwood, Illinois
LSA: Texas, Texas A&M
PNCLL: Oregon, SFU
PCLL: BC, Northeastern
RMLC: BYU, CSU, CU, Utah
SELC: Finished
UMLL: UMD
WCLL: UCSB, Sonoma, Arizona

And some notables who are borderline top 25:
Texas, UConn, Rhode Island, Cal

JJLAX wrote:
With all due respect, I'm not sure how that makes any sense. What if team A was ranked #1 in the first week of the season and then team B beat them in the first week and team A went on to lose the rest of their games. Why would it make sense to give team B credit for beating a #1 team when the results of the season clearly show the caliber of team that team A really was?

Here was the original thread. After you read the hypotheticals presented and other arguments, I'd love to hear your thoughts, and get your vote. I plan on using the comments to re-vamp the weekly updates so that it is as useful as can be.

http://forums.collegelax.us/viewtopic.php?t=6844