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RANK. TEAM (MCLA RECORD) [T25 W/T25 L/NON-RANKED L]

1. Michigan (12 - 0) [8/0/0]
W.....#24 Michigan State....................13-5

T25 W: #6 Arizona State (11-8), #1 BYU (12-9), #15 Arizona (9-4), #3 Minn-Duluth (12-9), #14 Lindenwood (20-5), #16 Colorado (8-0), #7 CSU (10-9)
T25 L:

2. Chapman (12 - 0) [7/0/0]
W.....Whittier (NCAA)....................18-9

T25 W: #1 BYU (16-15), #9 Northeastern (15-9), #19 Florida (17-6), #25 Utah (14-6), #24 Claremont (23-3), #13 Cal Poly (13-6), #8 UCSB (12-11)
T25 L:

3. Minnesota-Duluth (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
W.....UW-Stevens Pt....................21-0
W.....St. Cloud State....................27-1

T25 W: #12 Boston College (10-5), #17 Arizona (10-6), #4 BYU (8-6)
T25 L: #2 Colorado State (7-9), #7 Michigan (9-12)

4. BYU (9 - 3) [9/3/0]
W.....#19 Utah............................11-3

T25 W: #3 UCSB (15-9), #24 Simon Fraser (17-11), #23 Michigan State (18-6), #8 Arizona State (17-15),#17 Arizona (16-1), #12 Colorado (14-5), #4 CSU (14-6), #20 Lindenwood (13-6)
T25 L: #15 Chapman (15-16), #7 Michigan (12-9), #7 Minn-Duluth (6-8)

5. Simon Fraser (12 - 1) [4/1/0]
IDLE

T25 W:#14 Lindenwood (13-5), #18 Texas A&M (10-7), #9 Sonoma State (10-9), #5 Oregon (16-8)
T25 L: #1 BYU (11-17)

6. Arizona State (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
W.....Arizona.........................16-6

T25 W: #22 Cal Poly (10-9), #25 Utah (22-8), #10 UCSB (9-8)
T25 L: #8 Michigan (8-11), #4 BYU (15-17)

7. Colorado State (9 - 4) [7/3/1]
IDLE

T25 W: #12 Boston College (9-7), #3 Minn-Duluth (9-7), #24 Texas (13-3), #20 Loyola-Marymont (12-11), #5 Oregon (8-4), #13 Cal Poly (8-4), #25 Arizona (11-8)
T25 L: #9 Sonoma State (8-9), #6 BYU (6-14), #1 Michigan (9-10)
NR L: Utah (10-11)

8. UCSB (11 - 5) [5/5/0]
W.....#22 Loyola Marymount...............12-9

T25 W: #9 Arizona (8-3), #22 Cal-Poly (11-5), #9 Northeastern (7-4), #8 Sonoma State (12-5)
T25 L: #1 BYU (9-15), #12 FSU (6-7), #18 Florida (8-10), #9 ASU (8-9), #2 Chapman (11-12)

9. Sonoma State (11 - 2) [4/2/0]
W.....California...................................9-3

T25 W: #17 Texas A&M (10-6), #19 Cal Poly (7-12), #2 Colorado State (9-8), #10 Oregon (17-5)
T25 L: #11 Simon Fraser (9-10), #10 UCSB (5-12)

10. Oregon (11 - 4) [1/3/1]
IDLE

T25 W: #10 Colorado (11-9)
T25 L: #2 Colorado State (8-4), #7 Simon Fraser (8-16), #9 Sonoma State (5-17)
NR L: California (7-9)

11. Florida State (15 - 4) [5/4/0]
W.....Clemson.........................19-7...............SELC Q
L.....#15 Georgia....................9-13...............SELC Semi

T25 W: #21 Utah (14-6), #22 Central Florida (23-14), #6 UCSB (7-6), #23 Northeastern (17-8), #13 Florida (8-7)
T25 L: #13 Georgia (9-12), #20 Virginia Tech (13-14), #15 Boston College(8-9)

12. Boston College (9 - 3) [2/3/0]
W.....New Hampshire.........................11-7

T25 W: #19 Florida (8-7). #11 Florida State (9-8)
T25 L: #13 Georgia (9-11), #3 Minn-Duluth (5-10), #2 CSU (7-9)

13. Florida (10 - 5) [3/3/2]
L.....Auburn...................................8-11...............SELC Q

T25 W: #13 Georgia (13-9), #10 UCSB (8-10), #23 Central Florida (13-12)
T25 L: #7 Boston College (7-8), #3 Chapman (6-17), #11 FSU (7-8)
NR L: Loyola Marymount (11-12 OT)

14. Virginia Tech (14 - 2) [2/1/1]
W.....Auburn..............................10-3....................SELC Semi
L.....#15 Georgia........................16-17..................SELC Finals

T25 W: #13 Georgia (16-13), #11 Florida State (14-13)
T25 L:
NR L: Central Florida (10-15)

15. Georgia (12 - 3) [5/3/0] - SELC CHAMPS
W.....#11 Florida State...............13-9....................SELC Semi
W.....#14 Virginia Tech..............17-16...................SELC Finals

T25 W: #7 Boston College (11-9), #21 Utah (11-9), #16 FSU (12-9)
T25 L: #19 Florida(9-13), #11 Lindenwood (7-10), #21 Virginia Tech (13-16)

16. Colorado (3 - 4) [3/3/1]
IDLE

T25 W: #24 Texas (10-6), #13 Cal Poly (10-2), #25 Arizona (13-6)
T25 L: #5 Oregon (9-11), #6 BYU (5-14), #1 Michigan (0-8)
NR L: Utah (7-12)

17. Cal Poly (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
L.....Santa Clara.........................9-10

T25 W: #9 Arizona (8-7), #9 Northeastern (13-9), #25 Utah (10-8)
T25 L: #6 Arizona State (9-10), #3 UCSB (5-11), #10 Sonoma State (7-12), #10 Colorado (2-10), #4 Colorado State (4-8), #2 Chapman (6-13), #21 Standford (5-9)

18. Texas A&M (13 - 3) [0/3/0]
IDLE

T25 W:
T25 L: #14 Sonoma State (6-10), #20 Simon Fraser (7-10), #14 Lindenwood (6-14)

19. Utah (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
L.....#4 BYU..............................3-11

T25 W: #23 Michigan State (12-11), #16 Colorado (12-7), #7 CSU (11-10)
T25 L: #13 Georgia (9-11), #16 FSU(6-14), #8 Arizona State, #3 Chapman (6-14), #13 Cal Poly (8-10), #20 Lindenwood (12-13)
NR L: Claremont (5-15)

20. Lindenwood (10 - 6) [4/3/3]
W.....Illinois State.........................16-4
L.....Illinois...................................8-14

T25 W: #13 Georgia (10-7), #22 Indiana (16-7), #18 Texas A&M (14-6), #19 Utah (13-12)
T25 L: #20 Simon Fraser (5-13), #1 Michigan (5-20), #4 BYU (6-13)
NR L: Georgia Tech (5-9), Michigan State (9-10)

21. Stanford (11 - 3) [2/1/2]
L.....California..............................8-9

T25 W: #9 Northeastern (11-10), #17 Cal Poly (10-11)
T25 L: #3 UCSB (3-7)
NR L: Loyola-Marymount (9-10)

22. Loyola Marymount (9 - 6) [1/5/1]
L.....#8 UCSB..............................9-12

T25 W: #17 Florida (12-11 OT)
T25 L: #17 Chapman (7-18), #16 FSU (15-11), #2 Colorado State (11-12), #23 Claremont (10-11)
NR L: San Diego (5-7)

23. Claremont (10 - 2) [2/2/0]
W.....San Diego State....................8-6

T25 W: #25 Utah (15-5), #22 LMU (11-10)
T25 L: #5 UCSB (7-13), #2 Chapman (3-23)

24. Michigan State (7 - 4) [1/3/1]
W.....Davenport..............................24-9
NR.....West Virginia
L.....#1 Michigan..............................5-13

T25 W: #14 Lindenwood (10-9)
T25 L: #25 Utah (11-12), #1 BYU (18-6)
NR L: Illinois (6-7)

25. Central Florida (8 - 4) [1/2/2]
IDLE

T25 W: #21 Virginia Tech (15-10)
T25 L: #12 Florida State (14-23), #18 Florida (12-13)
NR L: Santa Clara (10-12), California (9-11)

Who are the winners and losers ZD? Inquiring minds want to know.

First, my new rankings

1.....1. Michigan (12 - 0) [8/0/0]
2.....2. Chapman (12 - 0) [7/0/0]
3.....3. Minnesota-Duluth (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
4.....4. BYU (9 - 3) [9/3/0]
5.....5. Simon Fraser (12 - 1) [4/1/0]
6.....6. Arizona State (11 - 2) [3/2/0]
7.....7. Colorado State (9 - 4) [7/3/1]
8.....8. UCSB (11 - 5) [5/5/0]
9.....9. Sonoma State (10 - 2) [4/2/0]
10.....15. Georgia (12 - 3) [5/3/0] - SELC CHAMPS
11.....12. Boston College (9 - 3) [2/3/0]
12.....14. Virginia Tech (14 - 2) [2/1/1]
13.....10. Oregon (11 - 4) [1/3/1]
14.....11. Florida State (15 - 4) [5/4/0]
15.....18. Texas A&M (13 - 3) [0/3/0]
16.....16. Colorado (3 - 4) [3/3/1]
17.....13. Florida (10 - 5) [3/3/2]
18.....19. Utah (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
19.....23. Claremont (10 - 2) [2/2/0]
20.....NR. Santa Clara (9-5) [2/4/1]
21.....21. Stanford (11 - 3) [2/1/2]
22.....17. Cal Poly (7 - 8) [3/7/1]
23.....25. Central Florida (8 - 4) [1/2/2]
24.....22. Loyola Marymount (9 - 6) [1/5/1]
25.....NR. Illinois (9-6)

be back in 1 hour with winners and losers..

Sonoma State was not idle, they beat Cal on Sunday 9-3.

westcoastlax wrote:Sonoma State was not idle, they beat Cal on Sunday 9-3.

Thanks. There may be more games like this where they are make-up games, so let me know if anyone catches more.

ZD's Winners & Losers -

(not as many as I would have thought)

Winner – Central Florida with Oregon losing to California. Central Florida had a come from out of no where season, where they gave many of the top programs in the SELC a run for the money. But since they lost to Santa Clara and California, and didn’t go to the SELC’s, it left them unable to move up in the polls, and potentially get knocked out. Now it seems that Santa Clara is a T25 team, and California can play with anybody on any given day, Central Florida’s two close losses don’t look so bad, and they will probably finish off the season with a T25 ranking for the first time.

Loser - Oregon with their loss to California. This team might fall to the 14th spot depending on how the pollsters evaluate FSU’s loss to SELC Champs Georgia. Assuming they don’t win the PNCLL (due to the lopsided loss they took to SFU), they don’t have much opportunity to move up but they won’t move down with another loss to SFU. At 14th they could get bumped if there are any upsets in league championships but I don’t think that is likely. What is scary for Oregon is the Sonoma – Santa Clara WCLL quarterfinals. And upset there, will put Oregon’s loss to Sonoma in worse light and jump Santa Clara into the T16 and Oregon out.

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Winner – Texas A&M with Cal Poly’s loss to Santa Clara. Go with the metaphor of teams being stocks and pollsters being investors. The pollsters have been investing in several teams in the T13-18 range, and time after time many of them have taken loses they should not have taken. Just like in the stock market during times of turbulance, the investors park their money in the consistent stock. Texas A&M might not have great wins, but they don’t have any bad losses and that looks pretty good right now. They will move up into the T16 and their bid to nationals will not be from an AQ.

Loser – The 8th/9th MCLA seed with Cal Poly’s loss to Santa Clara. If Texas A&M moves up, the 16th spot will go to the winner of the GRLC, and they will face Michigan on the first day. I could cut this as a benefit because both of the GRLC’s title hopefuls (Illinois and Lindenwood) have faced Michigan and want another shot at them. However, Michigan beat these team teams by an average of 19.5 to 4. That means after the 8-9th teams beat each other up, Michigan will be fresh.

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Winner – Georgia for beating FSU and Virginia Tech for the SELC Championship. Georgia has some blemishes on their resume, but they have some good wins. Unfortunately they schedule was very plane coming down to the end of the season, and the lack of visibility hurt them in the polls. Basically the silence allowed the question marks to become very loud. But the silence was broken this weekend. They had had the harder road to the championship (FSU, where VT faced Auburn). This repeat for them should give them a favorable spot, and since this is their second straight year at nationals they should be ready to play. At 10 or 11th they could be an upset story waiting to happen.

Loser – The SELC despite Georgia’s win over VT for the SELC Championship. I’m sure the SELC board has its reasons for their tournament, but they are not what is best for helping their teams rankings at nationals. The SELC runs their tournament incredibly early. After the poll comes out on Wednsday, all their teams will be idle for the next TWO polls. As I said above, lack of visibility could be damning (not just this year, but going forward). Second, they run their tournament in one weekend. Top 6 go and 1 and 2 get a bye. That gives 1 and 2 an incredible advantage and makes evaluating the loser of the semi’s almost impossible. This wasn't a problem when they only had 1 legit team, but as the competitive level grows it will hamper them. The standard model would be 1 and 2 get a bye, the quarters are run a week ahead of time, and then semis and finals on a Friday and Sunday. But this doesn't help ticket sales.


Any Others?? Any Thoughts??

13. Florida State
14. Texas A&M
15. Florida
16. Claremont
17. Utah
18. Oregon
19. Colorado

ZD...while things could be different up at the top, I feel you have Oregon much too high based on their recent play. Colorado best win of their 3 is against a Cal Poly team that failed to reach the WCLL Playoffs. I give Claremont the edge over Utah due to the Cougars resounding win over the Utes, Utah's recent loss to Lindenwood and the fact that Claremont has won 8 out of their last 9 (lone loss to Chapman).

The bottom looks nice to me...

Interesting tidbit:
Claremont went 11-4 on their season. Their 4 losses are to NCAA DII NDNU, NCAA III Whittier College, Chapman and UCSB.

Their best wins were against, in order: Utah, LMU, SDSU and San Diego.

I know you never try to second guess yourself, but this team could have been tourney bound if instead of scheduling at NDNU on their NorCal trip, they booked a Santa Clara, Stanford or Sonoma, etc.

Only if they won the game they scheduled!! We actually tried to schedule them but we were unable to fit them in.

Does anyone agree that the wins against T25 teams should be based on the latest poll. Because as I see it many teams that have T25 wins were against teams that have dropped significantly in the polls. This is not singling out any team, but if a team beat a top ten team and now that top ten team is ranked much lower what was really proved except that the team initially ranked in the top ten did not deserve it.

You need to check out last weeks thread man. ZD put it to a vote at the beginning of the season and concluded this was the best way to do it.

As always good stuff ZD.

Have to say that AZ State is looking like a winner after last nights game against UofA. They seem to have al ot of confidence and momentum going into the WCLL playoffs. Plus if they can pull off a second win, this time at home, against UCSB they will be set for the game I've been waiting to see all year, ASU vs. Chapman (provided Chapman wins).

Loser would have to be UofA out of the top 25 and no hope of a National Tournament bid, unless they get the WCLL AQ.

Also, big props to Georgia. Finally someone in the SELC showed that they were the big dogs (pun intended).

So after some good discussions here and those that PM'd me....I'd make this switch

13. FSU
14. Texas A&M
15. Oregon

The switch due to the following:

On FSU - In first evaluation I was very critical of their loss to UGA. Not because they lost. But FSU lost earlier in the season by the same margin. I was looking for a closer game, since UGA got the best of them earlier. I figure they'd have a better approach and a hunger after the early year loss. I also was not happy that they never led the game. 2 things I was looking for. Several however have said that it was a great game and UGA is playing really well right now.

On Texas A&M - No issues with first evaluation. I like their consistent play. New insigts that was sent to me was they lost to Sonoma by 3 (?) whereas Oregon lost by a bunch, so the consistency of good play may be hidden in their losses as well.

On Oregon - Early evaluation let their losses in Cali slide a bit. I believe they thought they were a T10 team and were on a their "Sonoma Trip" where they happened to play California. Looking past California hurt, because California can upset people who aren't looking past them. Then I believe Oregon was still hungover from that loss, and the realization they weren't a T10 team - so things just got out of hand against Sonoma. I think Sonoma wins no matter what, but the score was not indicative. Some feedback suggests this may not be the case, and Oregon has significant deficiencies. If they don't give SFU a close game, inwhich Oregon leads for some good duration, then they'll drop even more.

Personally, I think 15-19 are all basically the same team. I like Claremont, but I again struggle with how to factor in performance in a playoff situation. Since they aren't in the playoffs I don't know how they'd respond or lack of response (like Florida). Santa Clara, to me, has the most to gain.