Bill Clinton Strikes Back

[Adam Gamradt]

Classy move by Chris Mattews and Fox for lying to get the interview. Nice to see Clinton embarass them and their Rovian Overlords. Can we finally agree that Fox news is just the propaganda arm of the Republican Party?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/ ... 0526.shtml

Speaking of embarassing.

"Bush said he agreed with the report's conclusions that al Qaeda is becoming more diffuse and decentralized but rejected the interpretation that the Iraq war had made the U.S. less safe."

So we've flattened out their orginizational leadership structure, and this somehow doesn't make us any less safe? Or is this last quote just another sad attempt to link Iraq with Bin Laden?

The report should be posted here eventually: http://www.dni.gov/

Here's the best quote for today.

"It will stop all the speculation, all the politics about somebody saying something about Iraq; you know, somebody trying to confuse the American people about the nature of this enemy," Bush said.

So basically, someone, somewhere, is trying to kill us. We do not yet know why, but discussing why makes us unpatriotic. But someone, somewhere is trying to confuse the Merican people about their nature?

I forgot who was trying to confuse us again. The same president who continues to mention that Iraq and Al Qaeda were connected, despite the fact that reality is squarely opposed to his assessment of the situation.

And no, this post has even less of a point than Mr. Bush's War in Iraq. I thought these two articles were interesting, and maybe I'll end up starting a really nasty flame war with Cliff and Sonny.

[sohotrightnow]

Why do you hate America so much?

[StrykerFSU]

I know I can always count on The Nation for a balanced interpretation of newsworthy events.

Did you guys even watch the interview? I did watch it and drew vastly different conclusions than the ones put forth in The Nation column. I did think that the Rupert Murdoch conspiracy theory was a nice touch only outdone by Clinton's finger pointing and attempts to physically intimidate Mr. Wallace.

[Sonny]

Classy move by Chris Mattews and Fox for lying to get the interview.

How exactly did Fox/Mattews lie to get the interview with Clinton?

[Adam Gamradt]

I like the part when Chris Matthews said he's asked similar tough questions about this matter when Republicans are on.

Here's a list of interviews Matthews and John The Guy Who's Doing Such a Good Job Advancing the Republican Agenda as a Fox Anchor Maybe We Should Make Him Press Secratary" Snow?

In none of these did they ask Senior Republican Administators why they failed to pursue Bin Laden.

* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; 9/10/06
* National Security adviser Stephen Hadley; 8/6/06
* Rice; 7/16/06
* Rice; 6/4/06
* Rice; 5/21/06
* Rice; 3/26/06
* Rice; 12/18/05
* Hadley; 12/4/05
* Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld; 11/20/05
* Rice; 10/16/05
* Rumsfeld; 6/26/05
* Rice; 6/19/05
* Hadley; 5/15/05
* Then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card; 5/1/05
* Rumsfeld; 3/20/05
* Hadley; 3/13/05
* Vice President Dick Cheney; 2/6/05
* Rice; 1/30/05
* Rice (then-National Security adviser); 10/10/04
* Rice; 6/27/04
* Rice; 6/6/04
* Rice; 4/18/04
* Rumsfeld; 3/28/04
* Card; 12/7/03
* Rumsfeld; 11/2/03
* Rice; 9/28/03
* Rice; 9/7/03
* Rice; 7/13/03
* Rumsfeld; 5/4/03
* Rumsfeld; 3/30/03
* Rice; 2/16/03
* Card; 1/26/03
* Rumsfeld; 1/19/03
* Rice; 11/10/02
* Rice; 9/15/02
* Card; 6/9/02
* Rice; 5/26/02
* Cheney; 5/19/02
* Rice; 5/5/02
* Card; 4/14/02
* Rice; 2/3/02
* Cheney; 1/27/02
* Rumsfeld; 11/11/01

Here's the source, which is also a good read.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609240002

[Adam Gamradt]

Ten minutes to respond to my post, and yet you didn't have time to read the article? Sonny, you're letting me down man.

"You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because (Fox owner) Rupert Murdoch is going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers for supporting my work on Climate Change. And you came here under false pretenses and said that you'd spend half the time talking about (climate change). You said you'd spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7 billion plus over three days from 215 different commitments. And you don't care." -President Clinton

The Fox News orginization is simply a parrot sitting on the shoulder of the Republican Party. But a well reasoned, and fact based editorial is worthless, because the writer happens to work for The Nation.

Cliff, I saw the interview, and Matthews got roasted. I see now why Fox is so afraid to put any of us big scary liberals on.

[DanGenck]

I like the part when Chris Matthews said he's asked similar tough questions about this matter when Republicans are on.

Here's a list of interviews Matthews and John The Guy Who's Doing Such a Good Job Advancing the Republican Agenda as a Fox Anchor Maybe We Should Make Him Press Secratary" Snow?

In none of these did they ask Senior Republican Administators why they failed to pursue Bin Laden.

* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; 9/10/06
* National Security adviser Stephen Hadley; 8/6/06
* Rice; 7/16/06
* Rice; 6/4/06
* Rice; 5/21/06
* Rice; 3/26/06
* Rice; 12/18/05
* Hadley; 12/4/05
* Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld; 11/20/05
* Rice; 10/16/05
* Rumsfeld; 6/26/05
* Rice; 6/19/05
* Hadley; 5/15/05
* Then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card; 5/1/05
* Rumsfeld; 3/20/05
* Hadley; 3/13/05
* Vice President Dick Cheney; 2/6/05
* Rice; 1/30/05
* Rice (then-National Security adviser); 10/10/04
* Rice; 6/27/04
* Rice; 6/6/04
* Rice; 4/18/04
* Rumsfeld; 3/28/04
* Card; 12/7/03
* Rumsfeld; 11/2/03
* Rice; 9/28/03
* Rice; 9/7/03
* Rice; 7/13/03
* Rumsfeld; 5/4/03
* Rumsfeld; 3/30/03
* Rice; 2/16/03
* Card; 1/26/03
* Rumsfeld; 1/19/03
* Rice; 11/10/02
* Rice; 9/15/02
* Card; 6/9/02
* Rice; 5/26/02
* Cheney; 5/19/02
* Rice; 5/5/02
* Card; 4/14/02
* Rice; 2/3/02
* Cheney; 1/27/02
* Rumsfeld; 11/11/01

Here's the source, which is also a good read.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609240002

Yikes.

[StrykerFSU]

Before I get sucked deeper into this:

Fox in the Henhouse Clinton's strategic TV blowup.
By John Dickerson
Posted Monday, Sept. 25, 2006, at 6:32 PM ET

Former President Bill Clinton has provided us with this week's partisan sorting mechanism. If you are a right-winger, you see his outburst over charges that he didn't do enough to kill Osama Bin Laden as an overheated act of public ass-covering. You're also likely to react to his criticisms about the Bush administration by rushing to the inevitable safe ground: sex jokes....
...For the left-wingers, the video showed Chris Wallace to be a partisan Fox News hack who wanted to sandbag Clinton.

http://www.slate.com/id/2150335/?nav=tap3

[SLUDoubleDeuce]

I like the part when Chris Matthews said he's asked similar tough questions about this matter when Republicans are on.

Here's a list of interviews Matthews and John The Guy Who's Doing Such a Good Job Advancing the Republican Agenda as a Fox Anchor Maybe We Should Make Him Press Secratary" Snow?

In none of these did they ask Senior Republican Administators why they failed to pursue Bin Laden.

* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; 9/10/06
* National Security adviser Stephen Hadley; 8/6/06
* Rice; 7/16/06
* Rice; 6/4/06
* Rice; 5/21/06
* Rice; 3/26/06
* Rice; 12/18/05
* Hadley; 12/4/05
* Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld; 11/20/05
* Rice; 10/16/05
* Rumsfeld; 6/26/05
* Rice; 6/19/05
* Hadley; 5/15/05
* Then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card; 5/1/05
* Rumsfeld; 3/20/05
* Hadley; 3/13/05
* Vice President Dick Cheney; 2/6/05
* Rice; 1/30/05
* Rice (then-National Security adviser); 10/10/04
* Rice; 6/27/04
* Rice; 6/6/04
* Rice; 4/18/04
* Rumsfeld; 3/28/04
* Card; 12/7/03
* Rumsfeld; 11/2/03
* Rice; 9/28/03
* Rice; 9/7/03
* Rice; 7/13/03
* Rumsfeld; 5/4/03
* Rumsfeld; 3/30/03
* Rice; 2/16/03
* Card; 1/26/03
* Rumsfeld; 1/19/03
* Rice; 11/10/02
* Rice; 9/15/02
* Card; 6/9/02
* Rice; 5/26/02
* Cheney; 5/19/02
* Rice; 5/5/02
* Card; 4/14/02
* Rice; 2/3/02
* Cheney; 1/27/02
* Rumsfeld; 11/11/01

Here's the source, which is also a good read.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609240002

If I didn't know better, I'd say Chris Wallace has a thing for Condi Rice

On a side note, we can agree that FOXNews is the Republican's propaganda machine when we can agree that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC and the NY Times have, shall we say, a "cozy" relationship with the Democrats. Maybe Bill was just mad because Chris Wallace didn't stroke his ego and throw him softballs like everyone else. Jsut a thought...

[Adam Gamradt]

Allright, so lied wasn't the best choice of words. I'll go with the Slate columnist.

"Wallace's questions were within the bounds of the interview's ground rules and were fair enough (though he weaseled by saying it was viewers who wanted him to ask Clinton about Bin Laden)."

I'm going with weaseled. Matthews weaseled.

[Sonny]

Clinton agreed to the terms of the interview and he knew OBL would be fair game. Not sure what your issue is there.

FWIW, I believe this was the first ever interview (one on one, sit down) that Clinton has ever granted Fox News.

In none of these did they ask Senior Republican Administators why they failed to pursue Bin Laden.

Clinton had 8 years to pursue OBL. 8 years. Do I need to list the complete list of direct attacks against Americans during Clinton's two terms of office?

W had 8 months, prior to 9/11.

Who is doing the "weaseling"?

[Adam Gamradt]

"when we can agree that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC and the NY Times have, shall we say, a "cozy" relationship with the Democrats."

Ok Wade, prove it. I made my case, now make yours.

Here we have an example of Matthews repeating a Republican Talking Point, damn near word for word. If you watch the Jon Stewart Show, you'll have seen this a few times. The Republican Talking Points are repeated ad naseum, across all media outlets. Including CNN, NBC, etc. If they were as liberal as Fox was neo conservative, they would never run those talking points. What don't you understand about that? Maybe, these orginizations run stories that aren't flattering to Repulicans, simply becuase facts indicate the Republicans are doing a terrible job running our country.

Show me the proof of the left wing conspiracy to control the media? Do you have any?

Paraphrasing Herman, the mainstream media is controlled by the elite.

You should check out his and Chomsky's book, they even made it in to a movie so the Fox News crowd could enjoy it too!

http://www.mediaed.org/videos/Commercia ... beralMedia

[Adam Gamradt]

Sonny,

Have you still not read the interview?

It is very clear that Clinton pursued Bin Laden and failed. He failed, but not for lack of effort.

Clinton is very candid and honest about this in the interview, not to mention the one he gave to the 9/11 commission.

But again, he's a democrat, which makes him the enemy.

It's that same black or white, good or evil, you're with us or against us attitude that allowed Bush to demote Clarke, and to disregard all of Clintons work on getting Bin Laden.

Can you name a single mistake this administration has made and taken accountability for?

[Adam Gamradt]

I will welcome a refutation of the following statement.

We have made matters worse by attacking the wrong country.

More on the report below
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A declassified government intelligence report says the war in Iraq has become a "cause celebre" for Islamic extremists, breeding deep resentment of the U.S. that is likely to get worse before it gets better.

In the bleak report, released Tuesday on President Bush's orders, the nation's most veteran analysts conclude that despite serious damage to the leadership of al-Qaida, the threat from Islamic extremists has spread both in numbers and in geographic reach.

"If this trend continues, threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide," the document says. "The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups."

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/702520.html

[sohotrightnow]

It's Chris Wallace, not Matthews. Remember his dad Mike Wallace, the softy liberal who let Ahmadinejad off easily on 60 Minutes.

For some perspective, compare the questions asked of Condoleeza Rice by Katie Couric this past Sunday for 60 Minutes to that of Clinton, e.g. How does somebody go about asking you out on a date Secretary Rice? I mean, are you f'ing joking me? If CBS, NBC, etc. had such a liberal bias, don't you think Couric would have asked more difficult questions?