I have had my share of friends calling me about my location. Most of them are shocked to find out that I am back in Minnesota. They are worried about this storm getting to Dallas. I have been enjoying discussing the geography of Texas. As a Texan I would like to point out that we know Houston can flood. We saw that city flood I think last summer. It is not pretty. We should be happy this thing is missing Houston for the most part. New Orleans clean up would be nothing compared to what the damage in Houston could be. That being said this storm is likely to take out a good chunk of the Texas oil industry. Financially this could be disasterous, but the good news is that we can rebuild that.
Coach Graff, it has been some time since I was in The Woodlands, but I do remember the location. I would think your mother should be fine. Some trees will fall, and there will be damage. As long as she has enough supplies then she should be dandy. Like I said, I have friends calling me all the time right now asking about my family in Dallas, and I explain the size of Texas. I hope you can make contact with her soon, and that she will be safe. If you do decide to drive down it is not that bad. It is a trek that I have become quite used to.
I did hear that the one object Texans were stocking up on was alcohol. This was reported on NPR. I hope they got plenty of Shiner. I would hate to see that beer go to waste.
I would also like to wish all my fellow Southerners the best as this storm approaches. Stay safe, and I look forward to hearing some noise in the LSA this spring.
Here comes Rita!
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by Danny Hogan on Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:19 pm
TexOle wrote: New Orleans clean up would be nothing compared to what the damage in Houston could be.
can you elaborate on that, i couldnt' imagine...
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by Brent Burns on Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:31 pm
I do wonder if anyone has asked Jimmy Johnson (former coach of OSU, Univ of Miami, and Dallas Cowboys) how he feels about Rita going through his boyhood hometown, Port Arthur, TX.
It looks like Galveston will be spared as well as Houston (lil lady lax fan, I know Isaac Cline will be relieved
). I was able to talk to my dad on his cell phone late tonight, and he said that he is staying put in Houston (southwestern part of Houston near Hwy 59 and Beltway 
. He decided to stay due to terrible traffic conditions bedeviling Houston.
Right now in Waco, we are picking up baby winds.
It looks like Galveston will be spared as well as Houston (lil lady lax fan, I know Isaac Cline will be relieved
). I was able to talk to my dad on his cell phone late tonight, and he said that he is staying put in Houston (southwestern part of Houston near Hwy 59 and Beltway . He decided to stay due to terrible traffic conditions bedeviling Houston.
Right now in Waco, we are picking up baby winds.
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by mbuff on Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:47 pm
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Bet your middie stick I've got Shiner in the fridge. I had some on the ride out of NOLA and I've got some now. When the power goes out or the ice is all gone you can still put down a Shiner "German Style".
Usually the only hard stuff I'll drink is tequila but I went out and got a 5th of Jim Beam for this one. Don't know why, but if someone needs some I've got it.
Hate to say it but you're way off on that HOU v NOLA call. Yes HOU floods but it runs off. I remember when the Medical Center flooded and the radar approach facility flooded at IAH. Both were dry in a couple of days and cleaned up within a week or so. That can't happen in NOLA. There was so much water and it didn't go anywhere. Realistically, they may have to pull the pavement off the streets in some areas. It is very, very, very bad there. Just the mold problem alone will condem most buildings.
Even if the storm took out some of the large glass buildings in HOU, the buildings could be put back together with enough money. Remember the tornado that went thru FtW and took out the Bank One building? The only reason that it is still standing is that each window was custom sized and it was cost prohibitive for Bank One to fix it. They then sold to the Basses and they were going to drop it for a parking garage I think or something to do with Sundance Sq. Then they found all of the asbestos and dropping it was off the table due to environmental concerns.
Now think of NOLA, a city that is somewhere between 200 and 300 years old**. Many of those houses and buildings contain asbestos I'll bet. They won't be razed until that stuff is removed. That alone can take years and years and run into a billion or so dollars. If the Feds would not let MDs treat patients at the airport in the first days following the storm because the Feds did not have credential paperwork (thanks all you tort attorneys), then there is no way that the EPA is not going to be armpit deep into the demolition and reconstruction.
HOU is a better built city too. It's a newer city built with better building codes and infrastructure. The infrastructure of NOLA has taken a massive hit. To rebuild, the basic infrastructure of the city will have to be rebuilt first. You can't have a city with out people and the people can't exist within the city without certain services. In NOLA, this is going to take 5 to 10 years. The Feds, Naggin, Blanco, Trump can all talk about a quick rebuild and that everybody wants to do it now, but take a look at the "disaster" prior to Katerina.
We're now 4 years post 9-11 and the people in NY can't even agree on a CONCEPT for what is basically an office building or two. Now if you are familiar with HOU, folks really don't have to agree on what to build and where because it's like the P&Z commission has been out to lunch for decades. They'll put up a shiny new office building inbetween a crack house and a 30 year old muffler shop right on 610 or 45. HOU is cookie cutter whereas NOLA was very unique. Twenty-five foot lots where folks would buy an old shotgun house and rebuild a new house. Neighborhoods were never just "built". They had existed forever but were constantly revitalized albeit slowly. And the culture that was there but is now scattered probably would not tolerate a Gang of Trump showing up and telling them that "Were here to build our vision of NOLA for you."
Sure in HOU the Gang of Trump would just hire Fullbright & Jaworski to navigate all the BS and push their vision thru. In NOLA, you can't do any business unless you first sit down and eat something spicy then learn some family history about who you are dealing with and they learn about you. This can take awhile. Then you run around and they show you a wonderful city and a good time and sometime later you might actually talk business. Then you have to spread some benjamins around and wait. Then you eat some more, etc.
I'm no NOLA expert but this is just what I've got out of my various trips to NOLA. Tarzan can and will correct me if I've got any of this wrong. NOLA will be rebuilt and I hope that it has the same "feel" the Big Easy had but I'm afraid that it won't.
When you come back down to Texas, we need to get together with Matt and do the indoor thing in Shreveport again if only for the reason of sitting around a keg and eating.
Now I must check the wind outside and deem it "Shinerworthy" or not since I only have 12 for the weekend.
**For Sonny - it was built where it was built because in the time before planes, trains, and automobiles, it was the perfect place that allowed for deep water access to port and access to the biggest inland waterway in the country. Back then, it was not where it is today. Barrier islands existed and the Gulf was "way out there". It's the same reason any of the big port cities was built where they were built. As for the below sea level thing now, the Dutch have managed it ok and their whole country is below sea level.
Bet your middie stick I've got Shiner in the fridge. I had some on the ride out of NOLA and I've got some now. When the power goes out or the ice is all gone you can still put down a Shiner "German Style".
Usually the only hard stuff I'll drink is tequila but I went out and got a 5th of Jim Beam for this one. Don't know why, but if someone needs some I've got it.
Hate to say it but you're way off on that HOU v NOLA call. Yes HOU floods but it runs off. I remember when the Medical Center flooded and the radar approach facility flooded at IAH. Both were dry in a couple of days and cleaned up within a week or so. That can't happen in NOLA. There was so much water and it didn't go anywhere. Realistically, they may have to pull the pavement off the streets in some areas. It is very, very, very bad there. Just the mold problem alone will condem most buildings.
Even if the storm took out some of the large glass buildings in HOU, the buildings could be put back together with enough money. Remember the tornado that went thru FtW and took out the Bank One building? The only reason that it is still standing is that each window was custom sized and it was cost prohibitive for Bank One to fix it. They then sold to the Basses and they were going to drop it for a parking garage I think or something to do with Sundance Sq. Then they found all of the asbestos and dropping it was off the table due to environmental concerns.
Now think of NOLA, a city that is somewhere between 200 and 300 years old**. Many of those houses and buildings contain asbestos I'll bet. They won't be razed until that stuff is removed. That alone can take years and years and run into a billion or so dollars. If the Feds would not let MDs treat patients at the airport in the first days following the storm because the Feds did not have credential paperwork (thanks all you tort attorneys), then there is no way that the EPA is not going to be armpit deep into the demolition and reconstruction.
HOU is a better built city too. It's a newer city built with better building codes and infrastructure. The infrastructure of NOLA has taken a massive hit. To rebuild, the basic infrastructure of the city will have to be rebuilt first. You can't have a city with out people and the people can't exist within the city without certain services. In NOLA, this is going to take 5 to 10 years. The Feds, Naggin, Blanco, Trump can all talk about a quick rebuild and that everybody wants to do it now, but take a look at the "disaster" prior to Katerina.
We're now 4 years post 9-11 and the people in NY can't even agree on a CONCEPT for what is basically an office building or two. Now if you are familiar with HOU, folks really don't have to agree on what to build and where because it's like the P&Z commission has been out to lunch for decades. They'll put up a shiny new office building inbetween a crack house and a 30 year old muffler shop right on 610 or 45. HOU is cookie cutter whereas NOLA was very unique. Twenty-five foot lots where folks would buy an old shotgun house and rebuild a new house. Neighborhoods were never just "built". They had existed forever but were constantly revitalized albeit slowly. And the culture that was there but is now scattered probably would not tolerate a Gang of Trump showing up and telling them that "Were here to build our vision of NOLA for you."
Sure in HOU the Gang of Trump would just hire Fullbright & Jaworski to navigate all the BS and push their vision thru. In NOLA, you can't do any business unless you first sit down and eat something spicy then learn some family history about who you are dealing with and they learn about you. This can take awhile. Then you run around and they show you a wonderful city and a good time and sometime later you might actually talk business. Then you have to spread some benjamins around and wait. Then you eat some more, etc.
I'm no NOLA expert but this is just what I've got out of my various trips to NOLA. Tarzan can and will correct me if I've got any of this wrong. NOLA will be rebuilt and I hope that it has the same "feel" the Big Easy had but I'm afraid that it won't.
When you come back down to Texas, we need to get together with Matt and do the indoor thing in Shreveport again if only for the reason of sitting around a keg and eating.
Now I must check the wind outside and deem it "Shinerworthy" or not since I only have 12 for the weekend.
**For Sonny - it was built where it was built because in the time before planes, trains, and automobiles, it was the perfect place that allowed for deep water access to port and access to the biggest inland waterway in the country. Back then, it was not where it is today. Barrier islands existed and the Gulf was "way out there". It's the same reason any of the big port cities was built where they were built. As for the below sea level thing now, the Dutch have managed it ok and their whole country is below sea level.
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by Tarzan on Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:37 pm
Brent, Sugar refineries are mostly over this way…My wife’s family owns 2 very close to here. She and I both have stock and get raw sugar every Christmas….mmm, it is soo good in coffee and it is great to cook with.
Buff boarded in a building with a bottle of Jack and some shiner….Nothing bad can happen with that scenario???? Thank God there is no margarita machine.
About New Orleans and where it is built….Buff is right, it was built as a port. It is the main reason for the Louisiana Purchase, which as well all remember from elementary school, doubled the size of the US. New Orleans has so many problems with its infrastructure. They need better pumps stationed in better places and of course stronger levees. Some engineering genius is needed to help them live with the water they always get. Not sure if New Orleans can rebuild it on their own. The city is notorious for mishandling things and botching up projects that are routine for other cities of its size.
All of Southeast Louisiana is basically a huge deltaic plane jutting out into the gulf. It was built by thousands of years of the Miss River flooding over and over. Look at it on a map of the gulf and you can imagine the river spraying like a silt garden hose and building all of South Louisiana. The levees along the river now hold back the sediment and we now no longer have the sediment rebuilding the land. That is a big reason as to why we are so susceptible to these hurricanes. Along with New Orleans infrastructure, we need to have a system of conveyance delta’s that can mimic the natural flooding in a controlled fashion.….Sorry none of you guys needed a geography lesson today.
Buff boarded in a building with a bottle of Jack and some shiner….Nothing bad can happen with that scenario???? Thank God there is no margarita machine.
About New Orleans and where it is built….Buff is right, it was built as a port. It is the main reason for the Louisiana Purchase, which as well all remember from elementary school, doubled the size of the US. New Orleans has so many problems with its infrastructure. They need better pumps stationed in better places and of course stronger levees. Some engineering genius is needed to help them live with the water they always get. Not sure if New Orleans can rebuild it on their own. The city is notorious for mishandling things and botching up projects that are routine for other cities of its size.
All of Southeast Louisiana is basically a huge deltaic plane jutting out into the gulf. It was built by thousands of years of the Miss River flooding over and over. Look at it on a map of the gulf and you can imagine the river spraying like a silt garden hose and building all of South Louisiana. The levees along the river now hold back the sediment and we now no longer have the sediment rebuilding the land. That is a big reason as to why we are so susceptible to these hurricanes. Along with New Orleans infrastructure, we need to have a system of conveyance delta’s that can mimic the natural flooding in a controlled fashion.….Sorry none of you guys needed a geography lesson today.
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by lil lady lax fan on Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:59 pm
Even if the storm took out some of the large glass buildings in HOU, the buildings could be put back together with enough money. Remember the tornado that went thru FtW and took out the Bank One building? The only reason that it is still standing is that each window was custom sized and it was cost prohibitive for Bank One to fix it. They then sold to the Basses and they were going to drop it for a parking garage I think or something to do with Sundance Sq. Then they found all of the asbestos and dropping it was off the table due to environmental concerns.
Now think of NOLA, a city that is somewhere between 200 and 300 years old**. Many of those houses and buildings contain asbestos I'll bet. They won't be razed until that stuff is removed. That alone can take years and years and run into a billion or so dollars. If the Feds would not let MDs treat patients at the airport in the first days following the storm because the Feds did not have credential paperwork (thanks all you tort attorneys), then there is no way that the EPA is not going to be armpit deep into the demolition and reconstruction.
All right, a quick lesson in Asbestos, a subject I know inside and out since I analyze the stuff five days a week (yes, I'm the mean lab person who gives you the bad news about your popcorn ceilings...) First let me start by saying it is a naturally- occurring MINERAL, not a manmade material. In fact the state stone of California is--ironically--Serpentinite, or Chrysotile asbestos (so much for being the health-conscious state!
) The reason why it is so dangerous is because it breaks into teeny tiny pieces that get lodged in the lower parts of the lungs and doesn't break down. Some varieties look like little needles under the microscope. You can imagine what it does when it gets in your lungs.
Asbestos is found in all sorts of building materials from floor tiles and plaster to ceiling tiles, window putty and insulation. You know that tacky fifties sheet flooring in your grandparents house...it's probably in there too. Most of the olders buildings will have it in there in some shape or form. Although EPA will probably be involved, OSHA-- Occupational Safety and Health Administration--is the government body that deals with Asbestos remediation and Fungal issues. They will be the ones keeping tabs on the abatement companies.
All of the buildings will need to be surveyed and samples taken of the different kinds of materials to have them checked, regardless if they are residences or businesses. Believe it or not the muck and dirt from the floods will probably also have to be checked since much of that has debris in it. Truly a city planner's nightmare.
If you are one of the unfortunates having to deal with this problem I highly recommend doing your research on the abatement companies. Check out the credentials of the industrial hygienists and make sure the lab they are sending your samples to is NVLAP accredited. Ask to see the documentation of your results. Any material containing one percent or greater asbestos must be removed by a qualified abatement contracter. If there is a trace amount of asbestos you may want to see what the state's regulations call for. A good industrial hygienist will be able to give you all the specifics in a snap.
There are a LOT of scheisters out there ready to do a half-a**ed job, especially with the amount of damage these hurricanes have caused. Keep in mind that you get what you pay for, so it might behoove you to pay a little extra in this instance. Asbestosis and Mesothelioma are very nasty cancers--definitely not something you want to deal with.
Well, enough of that. If you have any questions PM me and I'll be happy to help in any way I can. Glad to hear Houston won't be hit!
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lil lady lax fan, if you ever decide to become a Premium member (we would encourage you to do that), I wonder if you would use Cathi the Rockhound as your moniker. 
Thanks for giving a wonderful lesson on absestos.
Anyway, I thought I'd start in this very thread for updates from those from Southeastern Texas (Houston, Beaumont, Port Arthur) as well as East Texas (mbuff) plus Tarzan and those from Louisiana:
Up in Waco, it looks like we will just get some winds and possibly occasional showers. Nothing major really. We will move around easily today.
I am sure we all will hear from mbuff sometime late today with his newsy news. I am sure Tarzan will chime in, too.
Now to Georgia (I am sure Sonny will say a few words on this issue), we all know Georgia is not affected by Hurricane Rita, but there is an indirect effect where the Governor of Georgia announced that public schools in Georgia are going to be closed on Monday and Tuesday to basically conserve gas and diesel.
Thanks for giving a wonderful lesson on absestos.
Anyway, I thought I'd start in this very thread for updates from those from Southeastern Texas (Houston, Beaumont, Port Arthur) as well as East Texas (mbuff) plus Tarzan and those from Louisiana:
Up in Waco, it looks like we will just get some winds and possibly occasional showers. Nothing major really. We will move around easily today.
I am sure we all will hear from mbuff sometime late today with his newsy news. I am sure Tarzan will chime in, too.
Now to Georgia (I am sure Sonny will say a few words on this issue), we all know Georgia is not affected by Hurricane Rita, but there is an indirect effect where the Governor of Georgia announced that public schools in Georgia are going to be closed on Monday and Tuesday to basically conserve gas and diesel.
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by Tarzan on Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:43 pm
We are all good here. Winds around here were 50 mph tops and we had constant rain through the night. I guess I should by a lottery ticket...Both storms passed on either side of us. My in-laws were in the veteran’s nursing home that my father-in-law runs over in Jennings LA (SW LA). The residents were evacuated before the storm hit and the home is about to become a converted hospital because the generator at the local hospital failed. He just called me and told me that part of the roof at their house is gone.
Lots of flooding in the lower areas of South Louisiana, SW LA of course got hit the hardest (they were on the Eastern side of the storm). Power outages are widespread which also makes for tough communications.
Couple of local papers that might give you some perspective:
Lafayette:
http://www.acadiananow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Baton Rouge (far from the center of the storm, but they cover SW LA)
http://www.2theadvocate.com/
How are things in East Texas?? Buff, you hungover?
Lots of flooding in the lower areas of South Louisiana, SW LA of course got hit the hardest (they were on the Eastern side of the storm). Power outages are widespread which also makes for tough communications.
Couple of local papers that might give you some perspective:
Lafayette:
http://www.acadiananow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Baton Rouge (far from the center of the storm, but they cover SW LA)
http://www.2theadvocate.com/
How are things in East Texas?? Buff, you hungover?
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by Brent Burns on Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:04 pm
Tarzan wrote:How are things in East Texas??
Just a few minutes ago, I got an email from my sister who tells me that things around my grandmother's house are fine. Just a few broken tree limbs. No major damage. Power is out but they can use the phone and gas to call, to cook and to use the computer. That is Broaddus, Texas in East Texas right next to Sam Rayburn Resevoir. She told me that it was quite unnerving to see some big trees swaying, but none of them fell.
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by CP18 on Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:37 pm
We are all good here in Huntsville. I sit now in my office looking at 20 National Guard Hummers and countless trucks in the Athletic Department office's parking lot. We housed a ton of people from Galveston, and from talking to police we had some real shady people mixed in with folks just trying to get away from the storm. It looks like Armagedon on this campus with all the debris and military presence.
We got some pretty good winds here in Huntsville, and a lot of rain, not near as bad as our friends just east in Trinity, Lufkin, etc. Oh, get this, my power went out at 8:30 p.m. on Friday when we had maybe 20 mph winds and no rain! Kind of a downer, as my neighborhood has no power and some do. I am hearing three to five days maybe on power. That is the least of our worries, we were lucky and blessed here for the most part.
Hope all is well!
We got some pretty good winds here in Huntsville, and a lot of rain, not near as bad as our friends just east in Trinity, Lufkin, etc. Oh, get this, my power went out at 8:30 p.m. on Friday when we had maybe 20 mph winds and no rain! Kind of a downer, as my neighborhood has no power and some do. I am hearing three to five days maybe on power. That is the least of our worries, we were lucky and blessed here for the most part.
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by Brent Burns on Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:28 pm
News from Lufkin and Nacogdoches, respectively:
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/09/24/20050924DNwithstand.html
http://www.dailysentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/09/24/20050924rita.html
**In this article, it says that Nacogdoches Memorial Hospital is running on generators. I know Buff will have more to say on this one when he is available to get online with us.
Look at the traffic sign on your right:
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/09/24/20050924DNwithstand.html
http://www.dailysentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/09/24/20050924rita.html
**In this article, it says that Nacogdoches Memorial Hospital is running on generators. I know Buff will have more to say on this one when he is available to get online with us.
Look at the traffic sign on your right:
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by Tarzan on Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:57 pm
I just tried to put it on the Sam Houston game and realized that it must be cancelled because of Rita. They have ultimate fighting on instead. 
CP, NSU has looked like that for almost a month now. It is kind of spooky.
BTW- USF is killing Louisville and their coach looks like Jim Haselet!
CP, NSU has looked like that for almost a month now. It is kind of spooky.
BTW- USF is killing Louisville and their coach looks like Jim Haselet!
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by mbuff on Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:32 am
We have connectivity!!! Came in to work this AM and cable modem was back up. Main hospital building had power restored about 6pm on Saturday but the generator in back of my building has been running since about 6am Saturday.
I've been without power at the house since Saturday morning but then so has most of the town. Sleeping on the back porch b/c it's hot. The only bad thing about that is the mosquitos. Everything else is fine since I'm gas on the stove and water heater.
I worked at the hospital from about 6pm Saturday night to midnight. Our ER was packed with folks. One thing I did notice when I walked through the ER waiting room was all of the people were sitting there staring up at a large TV on the wall. The screen was black as the TV was out. I wondered if something magical was supposed to come out of that box. Anyway, after we left the hospital two of us went back to my porch and we polished off that whole bottle. Sat there until daylight.
There are large trees down all over the place which took out homes and the power/cable systems. SBC and my $5.00 phone never quit though.
All in all it was not as bad as they predicted b/c the storm center slid east of us and we got the "clean" side. Some day the power will come back on and then we can clean up.
I've been without power at the house since Saturday morning but then so has most of the town. Sleeping on the back porch b/c it's hot. The only bad thing about that is the mosquitos. Everything else is fine since I'm gas on the stove and water heater.
I worked at the hospital from about 6pm Saturday night to midnight. Our ER was packed with folks. One thing I did notice when I walked through the ER waiting room was all of the people were sitting there staring up at a large TV on the wall. The screen was black as the TV was out. I wondered if something magical was supposed to come out of that box. Anyway, after we left the hospital two of us went back to my porch and we polished off that whole bottle. Sat there until daylight.
There are large trees down all over the place which took out homes and the power/cable systems. SBC and my $5.00 phone never quit though.
All in all it was not as bad as they predicted b/c the storm center slid east of us and we got the "clean" side. Some day the power will come back on and then we can clean up.
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Power at last -- well sort of
by mbuff on Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:21 pm
Power company (TXU and an outfit from FL) just showed up behind my office to hook up the downed lines. Wooohoooo!!! Maybe I won't have to listen to the huge generator 8 hours/day.
Last night, the guys from my team came through with a 5000W generator for me at the house. Even though sleeping outside was not all that bad for me. I'm grateful that I even have the porch to sleep on. They were saying that the town would be fully restored by Friday but now they are saying Monday. SFA is all back up and the guys were out throwing around last night so things are getting back to normal; well as normal as can be with 2500 evacuees in town.
Cathi -- on the asbestos thing and NOLA, I don't remember any kind of stick being raised about asbestos and the WTC. Those towers had to be full of it given the years they were raised. NOLA needs to be handled the same way to get it back on its feet.
Last night, the guys from my team came through with a 5000W generator for me at the house. Even though sleeping outside was not all that bad for me. I'm grateful that I even have the porch to sleep on. They were saying that the town would be fully restored by Friday but now they are saying Monday. SFA is all back up and the guys were out throwing around last night so things are getting back to normal; well as normal as can be with 2500 evacuees in town.
Cathi -- on the asbestos thing and NOLA, I don't remember any kind of stick being raised about asbestos and the WTC. Those towers had to be full of it given the years they were raised. NOLA needs to be handled the same way to get it back on its feet.
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Re: Power at last -- well sort of
by lil lady lax fan on Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:51 pm
mbuff wrote:Cathi -- on the asbestos thing and NOLA, I don't remember any kind of stick being raised about asbestos and the WTC. Those towers had to be full of it given the years they were raised. NOLA needs to be handled the same way to get it back on its feet.
Since I don't know the specifics about remediation I can't say anything about how that was handled. There was a bit of a scandal about that problem at the time they were cleaning up, but it was quickly hushed up. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a spike in lung cancer occurences due to the dust about 10-20 years down the road.
As for NOLA, one big difference: their material is wet. If they can remove it while it's still in that state it will keep too many fibers from getting airborne. If you know anyone working demo or renovation they might want to keep that in mind. It's when the dust gets flying that you have a problem. It also doesn't take very long to analyze the materials once it's been sampled (days vs weeks). The bigger problem is going to be mold.
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