The Mitchell Report & Affect on MLB

[Ben Clark]

I'm just glad there are players from all 30 teams on this list. That means anyone who singles out only one player (ie Bonds) is a hypocrite.

I hope all those oh-so-original people with their * shirts and signs feel like idiots now.

[CATLAX MAN]

Just because other players cheat with steroids doesn't mean that Bonds should not be exposed and ridiculed for being the cheat that he is. May he, Clemens, Rose, and all of the other cheaters be forever on the outside looking in at Cooperstown.

But it's OK then for players that made a career by cheating, like Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry, to be in the HOF then? Only certain type of cheating is allowed? Who gets to make that call?

[onpoint]

Just because other players cheat with steroids doesn't mean that Bonds should not be exposed and ridiculed for being the cheat that he is. May he, Clemens, Rose, and all of the other cheaters be forever on the outside looking in at Cooperstown.

But it's OK then for players that made a career by cheating, like Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry, to be in the HOF then? Only certain type of cheating is allowed? Who gets to make that call?

There is a lot of (misplaced) moral indignation about all of this - likely by people whose personal transgressions aren't exactly clean either. My dislike of Barry Bonds has nothing to do with "alleged" steroid use and I think a lot of the vitrol you are speaking of isn't because he is black, but because he's an out and out jerk.

[`MM9]

"On one hand, Mitchell would seem to have an incentive to refrain from naming any star Red Sox players, particularly those who contributed to the team's World Series victories in 2004 and '07."

-from someone affiliated with the Mets, i think (si.com)



That is such a ridiculous statement, IMO. Mo Vaughn? Arguably one of the greatest Boston hitters of all time was identified.

honestly, who on the Sox would take steroids?

Papi? -no, he has always been that huge
Manny? -no, he doesn't even care if he is better than anyone
Schilling? -He'd still be throwing mid-upper 90s if he was juicing
Jacoby? -haha

I mean c'mon, just cause they are better than you (Mets)...doesn't mean they are all juicers.

[`MM9]

Oh yeah.

Dice-K probably takes steroids...


that must be who Mitchell forgot to mention

[Ben Clark]

Manny? -no, he doesn't even care if he is better than anyone

I don't think Manny has ever used steroids either, but it's not because he doesn't care. I hate that whole "Manny doesn't care" attitude. He's one of the hardest working players in baseball.

But that's neither here nor there.

[BigheadTodd]

Here is a list from ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

Anyone else notice all the Yankee jerseys in this slideshow?

When the main sources are inside the Yankees and mets clubhouses, then yes, there will be an inordinant amount of those players on the list. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[horn17]

"On one hand, Mitchell would seem to have an incentive to refrain from naming any star Red Sox players, particularly those who contributed to the team's World Series victories in 2004 and '07."

-from someone affiliated with the Mets, i think (si.com)



That is such a ridiculous statement, IMO. Mo Vaughn? Arguably one of the greatest Boston hitters of all time was identified.

honestly, who on the Sox would take steroids?

Papi? -no, he has always been that huge
Manny? -no, he doesn't even care if he is better than anyone
Schilling? -He'd still be throwing mid-upper 90s if he was juicing
Jacoby? -haha

I mean c'mon, just cause they are better than you (Mets)...doesn't mean they are all juicers.

agree...with you on some of this...but I think the jury might still be out on Manny...and Mr. Bloody Sock himself....just not sure about Curt....

Growing up and Indians and Reds fan...I did have some reservations after all the steroid press came out about some of those late 90's central division champ teams...

Matt Williams - juiced


suspects???

Thome
Manny
A Belle
R. Alamar (SP) - roid raging when he lost it for Baltimore???

Probaly the only one I can say that didnt for sure...Omar Vizquel....

I think we should start our own message board "suspect list"

I will add Ivan Rodriguiz as my first....

This should be fun...

[StrykerFSU]

But it's OK then for players that made a career by cheating, like Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry, to be in the HOF then? Only certain type of cheating is allowed? Who gets to make that call?

I don't know enough about their careers to comment on whether or not their cheating made their careers Hall of Fame worthy. I do know that Barry Bonds broke one of baseball's (if not all of sports) most hallowed records by cheating. It is true that McGwire has not felt the heat the way Bonds has. I believe that to be because the media was lazy at the time he was mashing all those homers. He is also retired now and essentially a recluse since embarrassing himself in front of Congress. He is also a cheater...and not going to be elected to the HOF. Bonds is still playing, has been denying his involvement despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, all while giving a big metaphorical middle finger to the fans and the game itself. Not to mention that the jerk store called and they are all out of him.

Nobody is singling out Bonds. He just happens to be the biggest name whose personal trainer has been sitting in jail for not testifying against him and didn't know what the "cream" and "clear" were...if you belive that you probably believe Billy didn't inhale. Perhaps Bonds has been in the national spotlight more than some other offenders but ask Jason Giambi and Roger Clemens about some of the reactions they have gotten on the road this year. And for the record, I was screaming "BALCO!!!" at the top of my lungs to good ol' Sheffield when I caught the Tigers in Detroit this summer. Ultimately, the HOF voters get to decide who is worthy and I don't see them ever admitting anyone who is implicated as a steroid user.

[CATLAX MAN]

My dislike of Barry Bonds has nothing to do with "alleged" steroid use and I think a lot of the vitrol you are speaking of isn't because he is black, but because he's an out and out jerk.

There's no doubt that you have a valid point about this. However, part of his being a jerk was brought on by the treatment that he received by the media and how it has been portrayed there. That's not meant to be an excuse, but it is a factor.

[CATLAX MAN]

I do know that Barry Bonds broke one of baseball's (if not all of sports) most hallowed records by cheating......

......Ultimately, the HOF voters get to decide who is worthy and I don't see them ever admitting anyone who is implicated as a steroid user.

You realize, of course, that anyone who did steroids prior to 2002 was not cheating since it was not against baseball's rules. You also realize that most of these people, not all, have never failed a drug test administered by baseball. So then, can you really call it cheating? It's subject to debate. And what do you do with the army of ML players that have used bennies, greenies, yellows, etc. that were readily available to plyers in the clubhouses before designer PEDs came around? It's a slippery slope you're trying to navigate.

On the other hand, Sutton & Perry crafted long careers relying on throwing spitters and scuffed baseballs.....which IS against baseball's rules. They make no bones about the fact that they cheated while playing baseball and, in Perry's case, seem to revel in the lore of his cheating. Where's your indignition here in the very flagrant & public flouting of the rules?

[Sonny]

You realize, of course, that anyone who did steroids prior to 2002 was not cheating since it was not against baseball's rules. You also realize that most of these people, not all, have never failed a drug test administered by baseball. So then, can you really call it cheating? It's subject to debate.

Even though it might not have been against MLB's rules at the time.... purchasing/distributing/using/selling these products most certainly violated federal laws (and probably many state laws).

[CATLAX MAN]

Even though it might not have been against MLB's rules at the time.... purchasing/distributing/using/selling these products most certainly violated federal laws (and probably many state laws).

So, what's the point? Drinking while driving is against the law and many players have been caught doing that also. Taking amphetamines that were not prescribed is against the law, but those were readily dispensed in clubhouses in the 60s, 70s & 80s. God knows no one in baseball has never done cocaine either.....

[bste_lax]

Just because they are not on this list doesn't mean someone like Sosa or McGuire didn't do anything. These are just the players found in this report.

[KnoxVegas]

I cannot possibly be the only one who is crestfallen over the fact that F.P. Santaneglo was named. It is just heart breaking.

Say it ain't so, F.P! Say it ain't so!