britney loses custody

[laxfan25]

If anybody wants to check out my recommendation above, risk $4 to download these Patty Griffin songs from iTunes:

1) "Change" from the album Flaming Red -- Hard rock and backed by a full band. Great song, I only wish she rocked out more often if this is what she can produce.

2) "Long Ride Home" from the album 1000 Kisses -- Pure country, and maybe my favorite song from that genre.

3) "When It Don't Come Easy" from Impossible Dream -- Not sure how to classify this -- not really rock, not country, not gospel and not folk either. Sort of a combination of the all these musical genres. Just a song that always sends shivers down my spine whenever I listen to it, especially the quality of her voice when she sings "When the last bird falls the last siren sounds..."

4) "Every Little Bit" from her debut album Living with Ghosts -- minimalist rock -- just Patty on vocals and guitar, hinting at what she would prove capable of in the years which have followed.

Start with these four songs and see if you can resist buying her entire catalogue of recordings!

Thanks for the tips Dan - I'll do the download when I get home. Always nice to get pointers on best cuts of artists you're unfamiliar with. I do remember a piece on her on All Things Considered a while back. I always hear some interesting artists on there and by the time I get home I forget to do anything about them!

[Dan Wishengrad]

If anybody wants to check out my recommendation above, risk $4 to download these Patty Griffin songs from iTunes:

ahh, i keep forgetting that people actually pay for music..........

Well, if you download for free the artists don't get paid! Since I come from a show biz family, I believe in kicking in my few nickels so a fraction of a penny can actually trickle its way into the artists' pocket!

[DanGenck]

Jon, you went to St. John's. Learn how to spell!

headmaster genck-

i need a 5th year of high school, how much does Kent run a year?

If you work in a cubicle, you can't afford it.

[Pinball]

If anybody wants to check out my recommendation above, risk $4 to download these Patty Griffin songs from iTunes:

ahh, i keep forgetting that people actually pay for music..........

Well, if you download for free the artists don't get paid! Since I come from a show biz family, I believe in kicking in my few nickels so a fraction of a penny can actually trickle its way into the artists' pocket!

Britney makes on average $737,868 a month.

Everything that I have heard is that the actual artist makes very little on the sale of records and downloads, they pull in the big money when idiots pay $200.00 for nosebleeds.

[Dan Wishengrad]

You got that right, Jon. Of course I never suggested paying for Britney Spears songs by download or any other method. The artist I was recommending (Patty Griffin) is not a big name, she doesn't headline big arena tours, she doesn't sell many records and if people want to download a few songs she would probably appreciate the few pennies a legit company like iTunes sends her way. She probably has yet to even earn $737,868 in her entire professional career.

There was an AP article reprinted today in the Seattle Times about the big record companies suing a Minnesota woman for downloading songs for free from Kazaa. Napster got temporarily shut down in 2001 for violating copyright laws pertaining to free music and movies downloads. Read more:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... der03.html

The music industry is in big trouble. Suing a middle-class homemaker seems a silly way to make their point, and if even they win they will likely never collect a dime from this woman they are scapegoating. But the problem is real. Sales of CDs are spiraling downward, and most big corporate radio stations are airing playlists controlled by the big record companies to promote their biggest stars. New artists, fringe artists and even well-known but largely ignored (by the masses) artists that don't hold the promise of megabucks just can't get airtime anymore. Money rules the industry. Small independent record labels can't get distribution deals, and the artists who record on these little labels have to resort to selling CDs out of the trunk of their cars at performances in coffee shops, local clubs and college campuses. The only hope for people like Patty Griffin to become widely known (and make a living) is through an outlet like iTunes, which offsets the gamble of promoting new artists through sheer volume of overall sales. New artists can agree to have iTunes offer a free song download in hopes that folks like me will like what they hear and then BUY additional songs or albums from the catalogue.

[Beta]

Maybe if MTV actually played music...more people (kids) would know about music...thus increasing record sales.

Even the radio is half/half about playing music or having boring-ass talk shows or the worst thing ever....morning shows.

[Pinball]

But the problem is real.

I think the only problem is how much profit they were pulling off the purchase of a $15 CD.

I think the internet and people illegally downloading music has almost helped the little guy. They are able to throw down a rough track throw it up on myspace, youtube etc etc and get thousands of plays if you are decent. I will be honest, but maybe its just my cheapskate attitude where i dont want to play .99 cents for a song that has large amounts of security on it.

Good friends of mine from high school started a nice little band (quietdrive) and decided to hop on myspace throw their stuff up there and flood kazaa and the other php sites with their cuts and now their album has reached as high as 29 on the charts. They got press because of their large amount of "friends" and that sprung them to a record deal. I have had this downloading/stealing conversation with them and most of the time they want someone to pay for their stuff (because they like to say they reached 29 on the charts) but if it comes down to downloading it for free or not having it at all they want people just to have their music on their iPods because they make their bank when they are on tour.

It is the information era, so lets share information.

[Sonny]

[Dan Wishengrad]

I think the internet and people illegally downloading music has almost helped the little guy. ...most of the time they want someone to pay for their stuff (because they like to say they reached 29 on the charts) but if it comes down to downloading it for free or not having it at all they want people just to have their music on their iPods because they make their bank when they are on tour.

It is the information era, so lets share information.

Sorry, Jon, this sounds like rationalizing illegal actions through tortured logic to me. Do you also shoplift a candy bar from the store because it might lead you later to get hooked on them and buy them by the case?

If you know something is illegal and immoral, you shouldn't do it for no other reason than you know right from wrong.

[Jolly Roger]

If you know something is illegal and immoral, you shouldn't do it for no other reason than you know right from wrong.

Dan,

Don't limit this poor soul to Level 2 moral reasoning. Let him spread his wings and explore post conventional morality.

[Champ]

I think the internet and people illegally downloading music has almost helped the little guy. ...most of the time they want someone to pay for their stuff (because they like to say they reached 29 on the charts) but if it comes down to downloading it for free or not having it at all they want people just to have their music on their iPods because they make their bank when they are on tour.

It is the information era, so lets share information.

Sorry, Jon, this sounds like rationalizing illegal actions through tortured logic to me. Do you also shoplift a candy bar from the store because it might lead you later to get hooked on them and buy them by the case?

If you know something is illegal and immoral, you shouldn't do it for no other reason than you know right from wrong.

Do you "speed" in your car?

[Dan Wishengrad]

Actually I usually don't, mainly because my 20 year old car can barely keep up with the flow of traffic as it is. I have not gotten a speeding ticket (or any other moving violation) in over twenty years. And is speeding illegal and immoral, anyway? Are we talking about the same thing? I certainly don't claim to be a perfect human being, and I have done many things over my 50 years I wished later I had not. I have certainly broken the speed limit many times, so you are correct there. I guess I am a hypocrite myself.

But I do try to live my life knowing the difference between right and wrong and wouldn't knowingly STEAL from someone else.

[Zeuslax]

I love listening to all of the interns around the office rationalize there ripping of stuff off the internet. Usually it's, "I wouldn't have bought it anyway". I've never downloaded anything illegally, but I definitely see the appeal when it comes to software. I'm still not clear how they can police bit torrent files, but I'm sure they can.

[Beta]

If downloading music was so wrong...those servers (Ares, Livewire, etc) would get shut down just like Napster did.

I don't see how the gov't can justify suing a single mom for downloading a cd but can't justify actually shutting down the server.

That's like the police arresting someone buying drugs from a crackhouse but when you ask the police about shutting down the crackhouse, they say "Um there are uh...other issues...and uh...thing...yeah..."things!!!". Those servers could be shut down if the people in power wanted them to be. They apparently don't. Thus, it will continue.

It's irresponsible and idiotic to try and nab individuals in a "scare tactic" when you can shut down the problem at the source.

[Champ]

Actually I usually don't, mainly because my 20 year old car can barely keep up with the flow of traffic as it is. I have not gotten a speeding ticket (or any other moving violation) in over twenty years. And is speeding illegal and immoral, anyway? Are we talking about the same thing? I certainly don't claim to be a perfect human being, and I have done many things over my 50 years I wished later I had not. I have certainly broken the speed limit many times, so you are correct there. I guess I am a hypocrite myself.

But I do try to live my life knowing the difference between right and wrong and wouldn't knowingly STEAL from someone else.

It certainly is illegal to speed, immoral... Depends who you ask I suppose. I'm not going to start up that argument, but I assume if you asked the NHTSA and IIHS they'd say yes - but most people would say no.

Could you imagine if our cars had GPS trackers in them (like IP addresses and logs showing you downloaded), and random people would get huge lawsuits from the police for speeding (much like RIAA for downloading) randomly?

If downloading music was so wrong...those servers (Ares, Livewire, etc) would get shut down just like Napster did.

I don't see how the gov't can justify suing a single mom for downloading a cd but can't justify actually shutting down the server.

That's like the police arresting someone buying drugs from a crackhouse but when you ask the police about shutting down the crackhouse, they say "Um there are uh...other issues...and uh...thing...yeah..."things!!!". Those servers could be shut down if the people in power wanted them to be. They apparently don't. Thus, it will continue.

It's irresponsible and idiotic to try and nab individuals in a "scare tactic" when you can shut down the problem at the source.

Because not everything on them is illegal. There are plenty of free things to download through those avenues. And unlike your crackhouse example, these programs don't host the files which is why they don't get shutdown.