2008 BCS & Bowl Game Discussion

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Postby Beta on Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:27 am

Dan Wishengrad wrote:The irony, though, is in those rare years where there are two (and only two) undefeated teams ranked at the top of the polls as the only true title game contenders, the BCS is then unnecessary and superfluous anyway.


Thus reaffirming the absolutely uselessness of the BCS.

2 undefeateds = BCS isn't necessary because it's obvious

2+ undefeateds/1 loss teams = BCS creates tons of controversy.

Seems pretty obvious to get rid of it but hey, we're not the ones screwing up college football...they already have a foothold in that battle.
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Postby Danny Hogan on Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:16 am

DanGenck wrote:Where was Cinderella during the regular season?


probably quietly winning a mid major conference
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Postby Sonny on Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:37 am

The BCS isn't a playoff and was never designed to be. It was created to modify the bowl system to establish a 1 vs. 2 bowl game. After that 1 vs 2 game is set, the other bowls select teams they want from fan bases that will travel (within certain restrictions, conference affliations, etc.)

Remember under the old bowl system, we would have never had this type of game. Here are the projected '08 bowl matchups under the pre-BCS system:

Rose Bowl - Ohio State vs. USC
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma vs. Georgia
Sugar Bowl - LSU vs. Illinois
Orange Bowl - Va Tech vs. West Virginia
(Among others - Missouri, Kansas, Hawaii - all would have been locked out of the major bowls.)

You can debate whether or not the BCS works or not. But one thing is clear - Interest in the College Football regular season has never been higher. When Washington/Hawaii at 1am in the morning (East Coast time) is the last game of the season and it still has significant meaning to fans from around the country.... you have to acknowledge that the system is creating interest & attracting more eyeballs.
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Postby Zamboni_Driver on Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:14 pm

I believe this conversation occurred years ago:

Conference President A: Hey, the fans are revolting that we don't have a national champion

Conference President B: Then lets set a system where #1 and #2 play for the championship

A: But how do we ensure we have #1 and #2 in the championship?

B: Doesn't matter, we'll just re-label the two teams we pick as #1 and #2 and claim victory

A: What if there is a year where no one rises to the top, won't the fans be more upset

B: Who cares, we are a monopoly, they have to watch what we give them. They have no other option.
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Postby Zamboni_Driver on Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:31 pm

Sonny wrote:You can debate whether or not the BCS works or not. But one thing is clear - Interest in the College Football regular season has never been higher. When Washington/Hawaii at 1am in the morning (East Coast time) is the last game of the season and it still has significant meaning to fans from around the country.... you have to acknowledge that the system is creating interest & attracting more eyeballs.


Interest in college football may be related to a change in our social structure, not the BCS.

Researchers have cited that the fact people move around much more than they did in the past, and that has caused a change in who/what we identify ourselves with.

For example (the one I remember), people use to grow up in an area, work for the local industry, marry, and die in that area. So they were buried in a local cemetery. They identified with the area.

Now that many are journeymen - leaving the state for college, moving multiple times for career opportunities, marrying spouses with equally diverse backgrounds - many do not identify with an area of the country. Instead many identify more with their educational institutions. As a result, many schools are selling spots in a mausoleum where alumni's remains may be placed along with a plaque.

The point being, interest may be on the rise because more of us continue our relation to our educational backgrounds long after we leave, so we are inherently interested in college sports more than in the past. Just a theory though.
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Postby DanGenck on Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:49 pm

Sonny wrote:The BCS isn't a playoff and was never designed to be. It was created to modify the bowl system to establish a 1 vs. 2 bowl game. After that 1 vs 2 game is set, the other bowls select teams they want from fan bases that will travel (within certain restrictions, conference affliations, etc.)

Remember under the old bowl system, we would have never had this type of game. Here are the projected '08 bowl matchups under the pre-BCS system:

Rose Bowl - Ohio State vs. USC
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma vs. Georgia
Sugar Bowl - LSU vs. Illinois
Orange Bowl - Va Tech vs. West Virginia
(Among others - Missouri, Kansas, Hawaii - all would have been locked out of the major bowls.)

You can debate whether or not the BCS works or not. But one thing is clear - Interest in the College Football regular season has never been higher. When Washington/Hawaii at 1am in the morning (East Coast time) is the last game of the season and it still has significant meaning to fans from around the country.... you have to acknowledge that the system is creating interest & attracting more eyeballs.


Well said, Sonny. I think you can put the Missouri v. Kansas game in there, too. Last week of the regular season, sold out crowd at Arrowhead Stadium, national audience. That game had an electric atmosphere.

If both of those teams will make the 16 (or 8 ) team play-off anyway, then what's the point?
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Postby Dan Wishengrad on Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:58 pm

DanGenck wrote:Well said, Sonny. I think you can put the Missouri v. Kansas game in there, too. Last week of the regular season, sold out crowd at Arrowhead Stadium, national audience. That game had an electric atmosphere.

If both of those teams will make the 16 (or 8 ) team play-off anyway, then what's the point?


I think there would still be great interest, just as there is for Yankee-Red Sox regular season games, for the Patriots-Colts regular season game recently, and for all non-playoff matchups that may or may NOT get repeated in a post-season. There will always be heightened interest in intra-state and inter-state matchups that have compelling histories and deep-rooted rivalries. These would not be diminished by a college football playoff system, IMHO, but actually would be strengthened for their affect on the post-season field and rankings.

It was known before the Kansas-Missouri game, for instance, that both teams would be playing in bowl games after the regular season, but that certainty didn't translate to empty seats in Arrowhead or to lower t.v. ratings.
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Postby JW on Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:37 pm

While I understand the original purpose of the BCS, it doesn't mean that it can't be more than it was originally intended to be.

Every sport has evolved to create more of an opportunity for teams to win championships.

The Marlins would not have won World Series Championships without the Wild Card. The Jerome Bettis Steelers would not have won it without the Wild Card.

If you had a BCS system in other Sports Here is what I think the #1 vs #2 Matchups would be.

Baseball
#1 Red Sox v #2 Angels
Football
#1 Patriots v #2 Cowboys - or maybe the Colts
Hockey
#1 Ottowa v Detroit
Basketball
#1 Boston Celtics v #2 San Antonio Spurs

What would we all miss out on were there not a playoff system in the 4 major sports. I know that it is different, but were there a playoff, I would guarantee that I for one would be watching about 75% of the games if not all of them. The people who love College will pay for the games, watch and it would not be lost.

I have read every reason why a playoff shouldn't happen, but I don't think I will ever be convinced that a playoff is not the best way to go.
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Postby Beta on Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:12 pm

Yay for officials that are terrible at their job!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3165857

I am glad I am not the only one that noticed that. Too bad for Navy, and subsequently, my bowl sheets.
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Postby horn17 on Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:07 pm

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Postby Sonny on Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:10 am

Incredible (stupid) play from last night's Holiday Bowl in San Diego. Imagine if that play would have cost the Longhorns a chance to win the game.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOjja6KY-Q[/youtube]
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Postby Beta on Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:17 am

It was Mack Brown's stepson...which is perhaps the only reason that guy wasn't drawn and quartered last night. What a moron. Although...they replayed it a bunch of times...and there most certainly wasn't enough information to overturn the on-the-field call. What a gimme for ASU, who sucked.

Nothing like bowl picks to make you back a team you hate more than anything on this planet...HOOK EM HORNS! :lol:
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Postby cjwilhelmi on Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:59 pm

Beta wrote:Nothing like bowl picks to make you back a team you hate more than anything on this planet...HOOK EM HORNS! :lol:


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Postby Zeuslax on Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:13 pm

It was Mack Brown's stepson...which is perhaps the only reason that guy wasn't drawn and quartered last night. What a moron. Although...they replayed it a bunch of times...and there most certainly wasn't enough information to overturn the on-the-field call. What a gimme for ASU, who sucked.


Did you see the post game interview with the stepson? Man, I can't believe ASU started so slowly. They were so darn flat, no life. Then numb-nuts almost touches the ball and the momentum swings.
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Postby Ryan Hanavan on Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:37 pm

maybe it's time for Erickson to look for a new job?
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