Give me your proposed 1-A Playoff System

[Beta]

Are you going to leave an undefeated Boise State or a one-loss Louisville out of the mix?

Until they play a respectable schedule...they can watch from home.

[Dan Wishengrad]

Are you going to leave an undefeated Boise State or a one-loss Louisville out of the mix?

Until they play a respectable schedule...they can watch from home.

Joe, you've made your feelings about Boise State and their schedule quite clear in this and other threads. I feel compelled to respond.

First, football schedules are made two and three years or more in advance. Teams like Boise histroically can't find teams willing to schedule them, no matter how much they would like to play them. Beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl will certainly create enough "buzz" about the Broncos that they will likely get some of these powerhouses to agree to home-and-home series in the future. But to keep ragging on their "cupcake" schedule as if they didn't want to play stronger teams is simply not an honest argument. They scheduled who they could based on who agreed to a game. It's not like they ducked the USCs, the Notre Dames and the LSU's out of fear.

And second, it should be noted that among Boise's victories this year, two teams they beat WERE in fact ranked -- Hawaii and Oregon State. Four teams that BSU defeated in '06 -- OSU, Hawaii, Utah and San Jose State -- all won their respective bowl games this year.

You can be "a hater" all you want, but most of us saw a pretty darn good football team beat Oklahoma.

[DG]

Are you going to leave an undefeated Boise State or a one-loss Louisville out of the mix?

Until they play a respectable schedule...they can watch from home.

Should they play a schedule like OSU?

Sat, Sep 2 Northern Illinois W 35-12 --
Sat, Sep 9 at (2) Texas W 24-7 --
Sat, Sep 16 Cincinnati W 37-7 --
Sat, Sep 23 (24) Penn State W 28-6 --
Sat, Sep 30 at (13) Iowa W 38-17 --
Sat, Oct 7 Bowling Green W 35-7 --
Sat, Oct 14 at Michigan State W 38-7 --
Sat, Oct 21 Indiana W 44-3 --
Sat, Oct 28 Minnesota W 44-0 --
Sat, Nov 4 at Illinois W 17-10 --
Sat, Nov 11 at Northwestern W 54-10 --
Sat, Nov 18 (2) Michigan W 42-39 --

I'm sure that stretch from October 7th through November 11th against teams all with a sub 0.500% record was just too tough.

The patsy schedule schtick is a little too much at this point.

[Sonny]

No major team is going to play Boise State home and away and that is part of the problem. You think Ohio State and Florida are lining up right now to go play on the Blue Turf in 2012?

[Beta]

And second, it should be noted that among Boise's victories this year, two teams they beat WERE in fact ranked -- Hawaii and Oregon State.

They were not ranked at the time they played them, but we'll skip that. Hawaii is not ranked now, nor were they then unless they changed it to the AP Top 26. Oregon State is 10-4. Ok, so they played and beat Oregon State who finished ranked #21. The 20-25 spots fluctuate so much throughout the season and often include teams falling out of the rankings.

It's not like making a schedule requires in-depth college football knowledge and fortune-telling abilities. You can basically pick teams from each conference that are almost always ranked. You can grab UCLA, Cal, Auburn, Georgia, GT, VT, Miami, Louisville, WVU, etc etc and almost always be assured that they are ranked somewhere, or will finish ranked.

Ill even skip saying that BSU doesn't schedule anyone to fast forward things. They don't beat anyone when they actually get to play them. Yes they played and beat ONE decent team this year. Huzzah! When was the last time? They got embarassed by UGA last year, beat by Fresno St by 20, and lost to BC in the bowl game. Ok. Year before, just a loss to Louisville as the only ranked team they played. Ah in 2003, they beat perennial powerhouse TCU that was ranked #21 in their bowl game to finish the season 13-1.

They may just have to sit back and pay their dues like Louisville did....or switch to a BCS conference. I distinctly remember Louisville playing FSU during the season back when they were C-USA. Beating a unarguably weak Big12 conference champ on 2 trick plays doesn't warrent BSU in the ranks of UF, OSU, LSU and USC. Yes the game was fun to watch. That doesnt mean that because BSU played a fun game to watch, their cupcake schedule means nothing and they deserve a shot at teams that played countless ranked opponents. And if BSU cant schedule decent opponents...then they should pay their dues like so many other teams have done. Ive seen many mid-major teams play powerhouse teams over the past several years.

I'm sure that stretch from October 7th through November 11th against teams all with a sub 0.500% record was just too tough.

So they played a BSU-like schedule? Fair enough. But if you look closer...you may notice it's a conference schedule and the Big 10 didnt have a great year top to bottom. You at least get to choose your out of conference schedule. Minus Oct 7ths Bowling Green who defied logic by playing Ohio State this year since mid-majors never play anyone...even though they've played in recent history Wisconsin, OSU a few times, Oklahoma and Purdue. Fresno State has been scheduling decent OOC foes this year...how'd they finish?

Although, OSU isn't allowed to take that pathetic 5/6 week conference schedule break amidst playing lowly ranked teams like #2, #13 and #2...followed by a #2 in the Natl Championship game. Until I see Ohio State (or Florida) go through this juggarnaut schedule...they shouldnt have even fielded a team.

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[Jay Wisnieski]

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"If the public walks away from our games during the regular season and walks away from television during the regular season and walks away from the bowls, they're saying, We won't support this anymore. We want something else.' But I don't see them walking away from anything."

I think that's a horrible argument to make as to why a playoff isn't needed. I don't know anyone who would stop watching bowl games just because they'd rather see a playoff. People watch bowl games because they like watching football, not to make statements about what they would and would not like to see.

[Beta]

I personally would prefer the current bowl system, but the BCS teams play a "mini" tourny. The current bowl structure works fine IMHO, but the fact that there's always some argument over the best 2-3 teams...I say take the BCS teams and let them have at it. With the teams this year it would have been fun to watch.

[Dan Wishengrad]

It's not like making a schedule requires in-depth college football knowledge and fortune-telling abilities. You can basically pick teams from each conference that are almost always ranked. You can grab UCLA, Cal, Auburn, Georgia, GT, VT, Miami, Louisville, WVU, etc etc and almost always be assured that they are ranked somewhere, or will finish ranked.

My exact point was you CAN NOT "just basically pick teams" or "grab UCLA, Cal, Auburn..." these teams have to AGREE to a series of games against you!!!!! Teams from historically weak conferences like the WAC, the Mountain West and the Mid-American have always had trouble getting the powerhouses to agree to play them. I am consistently arguing here that I believe -- in my personal opinion -- that Boise State is a very good football team in spite of their weak conference and schedule.

Ill even skip saying that BSU doesn't schedule anyone to fast forward things. They don't beat anyone when they actually get to play them. Yes they played and beat ONE decent team this year. Huzzah! When was the last time? They got embarassed by UGA last year, beat by Fresno St by 20, and lost to BC in the bowl game. Ok. Year before, just a loss to Louisville as the only ranked team they played. Ah in 2003, they beat perennial powerhouse TCU that was ranked #21 in their bowl game to finish the season 13-1.

Sorry, Joe, we're discussing the 2006 college football season. Boise State football may have been terrible in 2005, or in 2003, but that is not relevant to THIS discussion about who was worthy of making the "playoffs" if we actually had one. You argued weeks ago on this forum that BSU was not worthy of consideration of a BCS bowl game, and used these same tired arguments about Georgia humiliating them in '05 as your rationale. THAT Broncos team is not THIS one we are discussing. You need to, in your own words, "fast forward". Boise got a BCS bowl game, and they didn't exactly fall flat on their faces. They dominated the Sooners, leading 28-10 before falling behind and then winning in fantastic fashion. You are basically dismissing this and sticking to your guns that they suck, that their undefeated season is meaningless and they didn't deserve to even be there or be in a mythical playoff. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Thankfully the sportswriters and coaches who vote in the polls and the computer rankings agree with me that Boise State was pretty damn good in 2006.

[Beta]

Exactly my point, I cannot refer to the last time BSU played a ranked team this regular season because they didnt play any, and historically dont. Fresno State always plays hard teams, along with the other teams I mentioned. You get to "choose" your games, just not your pick of the entire country. Maybe there's a reason no one wants to play BSU...I bet it's because it doesn't help their strength of schedule at all. There is a reason that teams will schedule Western Carolina, Sac State, GaSouthern, for a tune up game. So let's say BSU has graduated from being a tune-up game...they should be able to play more decent teams next year. The whole "strength of schedule" method goes top to bottom, not just "hey one ranked team this year..here's your multi million dollar bowl game". BSU didnt "dominate" Oklahoma. They dominated the first half. Domination games don't end in a last second hook and ladder (that works 1% of the time) followed by a trick "all or nothing" 2pt conversion in OT.

There are many teams that deserved different bowl games than what they received. Wisconsin, Cal, etc. Winning one game a year against a decent team doesnt mean you dont suck and are a good team. UCLA beat USC this year, that doesnt mean UCLA is awesome. When a team UPSETS another team...that doesnt mean that all is right in the world.

Everyone who watched the game knows that BSU played a good game. They've graduated from being a team's cupcake game...but that
doesnt IMHO mean they automatically step up with the big boys yet.

(opinion)
They're still nowhere near the calibre of a major conference's best. Put them in the SEC and they finish bottom 4. Put them in the Pac 10 and they finish top 4-5. Theyd get 4th in the Big East at best. Big 10, theyd finish less than 5th.

Just like you've been arguing that BSU is good for a while. Ive been aruging that they do indeed suck for a long time as well. I vote that all teams play easy schedules and not play anyone good...you wont get a natl championship...but you'll get a BCS game and a well rested healthy squad since injuries tend to pile up when you play good opponents. Just ask Tennessee, Auburn, Texas, etc about a hard schedule and what it does to your team.

[DG]

I'm going to split-rail your quotes here, since I don't remember how to post multiple quotes with multiple timestamps...

From today: So they played a BSU-like schedule? Fair enough. But if you look closer...you may notice it's a conference schedule and the Big 10 didnt have a great year top to bottom. You at least get to choose your out of conference schedule.


From several days ago: BSU played a great game last night against a formidable opponent in Oklahoma. No one can take their win last night away from them. In the long term, what they did last night was 1/6 of what teams like LSU, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas, Ohio State, Texas do every year, week-in and week-out before they play a bowl game...if they get to play one at all.

So the Big 10 was weak this year, and that makes it OK to play a weak schedule? I understand you argument about the quality of play historically in the WAC vs. Big 10. I agree.

However, your argument falls apart when you make blanket statements about how Ohio State does six times the work that BSU does EVERY year. Well, they didn't THIS year, and that's all we are talking about.

From what you saw last night, can you honestly say that BSU would have fared any worse than OSU? After the opening kickoff, that game was 41-7.

It is a shame that we can't just say that Boise St. had a great year and deserved what they got.


$0.02 deposited for the last time on this topic.

DG

[Beta]

So the Big 10 was weak this year, and that makes it OK to play a weak schedule? I understand you argument about the quality of play historically in the WAC vs. Big 10. I agree.

However, your argument falls apart when you make blanket statements about how Ohio State does six times the work that BSU does EVERY year. Well, they didn't THIS year, and that's all we are talking about.

Yes, Ohio State did do more than BSU did. They still played #2, #13, #2 not including their bowl which was another #2. They played #2 and #13 which were conference games. They played a span of a few weeks of non ranked opponents (like BSU's entire schedule..but for only half of the year instead of the whole year like BSU's). OSU still had Michigan, Iowa and Texas scheduled and any one of those games made their schedule harder than BSU's. BSU already has Weber State, Washington, Wyoming and Bowling Green scheduled...they're already icing the cupcakes...

[Brent Burns]

Just curious-- what does Boise State's 2007 fall football schedule look like?

Someone mentioned Wyoming, so I recalled Wyoming had one good year and didn't they lose to West Virginia in a bowl game many MOONS ago? I always find this interesting that most folks never think that any football team from Wyoming or Idaho or Montana would amount to anything, but that landscape has changed a lot.

[Beta]

Just curious-- what does Boise State's 2007 fall football schedule look like?

Someone mentioned Wyoming, so I recalled Wyoming had one good year and didn't they lose to West Virginia in a bowl game many MOONS ago? I always find this interesting that most folks never think that any football team from Wyoming or Idaho or Montana would amount to anything, but that landscape has changed a lot.

Their schedule isn't finalized. Just has Weber State, Bowling Green, Wyoming and Washington. They still have to schedule conference opponents. It will prolly be done soon though.l

[Brent Burns]

Just curious-- what does Boise State's 2007 fall football schedule look like?

Someone mentioned Wyoming, so I recalled Wyoming had one good year and didn't they lose to West Virginia in a bowl game many MOONS ago? I always find this interesting that most folks never think that any football team from Wyoming or Idaho or Montana would amount to anything, but that landscape has changed a lot.

Their schedule isn't finalized. Just has Weber State, Bowling Green, Wyoming and Washington. They still have to schedule conference opponents. It will prolly be done soon though.l

Just spied the Cowboys' 2006 schedule and noted that they lost to Boise State, 10-17 on September 16. Is "prolly" now common usage in the text messaging business? Smile