Allen Iverson = Denver Nugget

[onpoint]

Come on, these are professional athletes and teams. When you are losing like that at home, you have no one to blame but yourself. As I said before, the Knicks were putting up garbage three pointers that are clanging off the rim for 18 ft rebounds. How is that Karl's fault? The Nuggets have been blowing leads all season and he didn't want to win by less than 10. 3 subs were at the scorer's table prior to the incident. I think Isiah is the most culpable of anyone, personally, and he has acted the same since he was a player. Sonny, the Nuggets are relevant right now because they took place (and got the best of) one of the biggest blockbuster trades of the last 5 years, not just their inclusion in the fight at MSG. The Iverson addition has been much more in the news than the brawl - and I would argue that the brawl had a significant impact on his signing. The Nugs wanted positive pub to offset all the negativity.

One last thing - I think the brawl has been overblown. There was a fight during the Avalanche game last night and our color guy joked that they were going to get suspended for 20 games. Carmelo barely hit the guy and he's getting the same suspension as Stephen Jackson. Is that fair?

[Zeuslax]

One last thing - I think the brawl has been overblown. There was a fight during the Avalanche game last night and our color guy joked that they were going to get suspended for 20 games. Carmelo barely hit the guy and he's getting the same suspension as Stephen Jackson. Is that fair

Stern has been getting a lot of flack recently about his lack of influence and his responses to incidents in the past. Pun intended.......I think he was trying to show that he's Stern.

Onpoint is correct though.....this was a crafty PR move. The timing was impeccable.

[KnoxVegas]

While it may be overblown, the fact remains that the NBA has an image problem. I work these games all the time and it is one thing for a fight to break out on a hockey rink, with dashers and plexiglass between the crowd and the ice. It is a completely different situation when the players can enter the stands as freely as you can from a basketball court. Carmelo is being made an example of. I think had he been anyone else, he would have been gone a lot longer. The NBA is in desperate need of a good, clean star that can be marketed to the suburbs. Dwayne Wade is all alone at this point. Between Carmelo's infamous "Don't Snitch" videotape for drug dealers and his stupid hit-n-run the other night, he has a long way to go in my eyes.

[Zeuslax]

Between Carmelo's infamous "Don't Snitch" videotape for drug dealers

Ok, I have to know what this is all about?

[KnoxVegas]

Here you go, hon!

DENVER -- Denver Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony is featured in an underground DVD that is circulating in his home town of Baltimore, Md.

Carmelo Anthony appears in a DVD called "Stop Snitching" with a self-confessed drug dealer.
The DVD is called "Stop Snitching" and shows alleged drug dealers talking about what happens to people who cooperate with the police, and Anthony is standing next to one of them.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/3967329/detail.html


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/061218

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=308364

[CATLAX MAN]

The Nuggets have been blowing leads all season and he didn't want to win by less than 10. 3 subs were at the scorer's table prior to the incident.

If you buy that line, I've got some nice investment property in the outskirts of the Florida Everglades that I would like to sell to you. That's nothing but a juicy rationalization on Karl's part that kept him away from being disciplined. Everyone knows that Karl has an axe to grind against the Knicks organization for the way they treated his good friend, Larry Brown. He was out to embarass them any way they could. You just don't do what they did without accepting reprisals, just like in baseball you don't steal a base in a blowout game or in hockey you don't spray the goalie's face with ice or shoot after the whistle has been blown or in football you don't throw a long pass in a blowout game. It's called having respect for your opponent and not showing them up. At least Isiah was man enough to let them know that if it continued, something was going to happen. Having said that, I'm not excusing Isiah's part in this, but George Karl is just as much to blame as Isiah is.

There was a fight during the Avalanche game last night and our color guy joked that they were going to get suspended for 20 games. Carmelo barely hit the guy and he's getting the same suspension as Stephen Jackson. Is that fair?

Yes, it's fair because fighting is a part of the game of hockey whereas the NBA has announced its policy of eliminating fighting from its sport. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[onpoint]

Reading is fundamental. I'm not comparing hockey figts to basketball ones, the announcers were. And they were making a joke. Stephen Jackson, if you remember, was the Indiana Pacer (Eastern Conference NBA team) who lept into the stands and exchanged punches with fans in Detroit two years ago. His original suspension was for 30 games and an arbitrator lowered it to 15, the same amount Carmelo got. I do think you can compare those apples. I would think that he will be able to appeal and lower the suspension to around 12.

I don't have to buy the line from George Karl - I watch the team nearly every night and know it to be true already. All the points about Karl's past relationship with the Knicks/Larry Brown have been stated by now. Here is another part of the story you are ignoring: THE NUGGETS HAD THREE PLAYERS AT THE SCORER'S TABLE READY TO CHECK IN WHEN THE FOUL OCCURED. The situation would have been over if Collins hadn't horse-collared Smith. Nothing that any of us has to say anymore hasn't already been spouted somewhere else so I'm done with "brawl-lke substance" talk. If you want to get the last word, by all means . . .

I'll admit as soon as anyone else that Carmelo has a big image problem and so does the NBA. It was a terrible image hit for the league to lose its leading scorer in a "brawl-like substance." This makes the AI trade even more important, for the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony and the NBA. Which is, I think, what this thread was originally about.

[CATLAX MAN]

Here is another part of the story you are ignoring: THE NUGGETS HAD THREE PLAYERS AT THE SCORER'S TABLE READY TO CHECK IN WHEN THE FOUL OCCURED. The situation would have been over if Collins hadn't horse-collared Smith.

Here is another part of the story you are ignoring: The Nuggets were up by an insurmountable margin (19 points) with just over a minute to go and they were still driving the lane. Collins wouldn't have to have horse-collared him if they would have done what every other team in the NBA would have done in that situation.......pull up and run off 20 seconds of the 24 second clock before taking a perimeter shot. With regards to the players that were getting ready to check in, again, they would've already been in the game a long time before that in any other NBA game, if there wasn't an agenda being addressed by their coach. I understand that you are a fan of the Nuggets, but don't be so quick to assign blame to one side without looking at the other side's role in it.